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Post subject: Test Drive Bonus
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:22 pm
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I've always had issues about becoming a walking advertisement for a product or service. Business has a lot to gain by putting their logos on consumer products and I go out of my way to avoid making these choices if I can.

I support Fender through purchasing their products and services. I've owned four Strats in the last 50 years. They actually "owe me one" but that's a story of another era and no connection to the present ownership. I'm still loyal to the marque.

I'd rather a free package of guitar strings than a shirt.


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That's ironic that you mention that as we've actually done the very promo you mention (i.e., get a free set of strings in exchange for a "test drive") about 7 years ago. Unfortunately, as I recall it went over pretty much like pickles mixed with peanut butter. :-)

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what, very well ?

then why dont you do it again??

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theboman wrote:
what, very well ?

then why dont you do it again??


It did not go over very well. Pickles and Peanut Butter... might be a promotion that works if you are pregnant.

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theboman wrote:
what, very well ?

then why dont you do it again??


It did not go over very well. Pickles and Peanut Butter... might be a promotion that works if you are pregnant.


hah i know, but some people might like peanut butter n pickles, so they could get confused

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Brad Traweek - Fender wrote:
That's ironic that you mention that as we've actually done the very promo you mention (i.e., get a free set of strings in exchange for a "test drive") about 7 years ago. Unfortunately, as I recall it went over pretty much like pickles mixed with peanut butter. :-)



Really? You guys need to do that again with bass strings! I'll take the free t...heck i'll take anything I can get. 8)


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Post subject: Re: Test Drive Bonus
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:29 pm
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zzdoc wrote:
I support Fender through purchasing their products and services. I've owned four Strats in the last 50 years. They actually "owe me one" but that's a story of another era and no connection to the present ownership. I'm still loyal to the marque.


Uh... you don't "support" Fender by owning their products. You get the use of the guitar. That's the whole exchange: you hand over some money, they give you the guitar.

Unless you're famous or in some other way an arbiter of taste. If not, your post is pretty amusing. They most certianly do not "owe you one."


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Post subject: Re: Test Drive Bonus
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:45 pm
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zzdoc wrote:
I support Fender through purchasing their products and services. I've owned four Strats in the last 50 years. They actually "owe me one" but that's a story of another era and no connection to the present ownership. I'm still loyal to the marque.


Uh... you don't "support" Fender by owning their products. You get the use of the guitar. That's the whole exchange: you hand over some money, they give you the guitar.

Unless you're famous or in some other way an arbiter of taste. If not, your post is pretty amusing. They most certianly do not "owe you one."



In 1969 I made the sad mistake of sending my '58 Stratocaster to Fender to have the body refinished. In those days, the professional look of a "stage guitar" did not encompass that of SRV's famous No.1. The guiitar had more than its share of unsightly dings. They returned the guitar with the body finished, unblemished, in the now familiar 3-color sunburst. Some twenty-five years later, I took the guitar to a highly reputable, New York City based dealer in used and vintage instruments to have it appraised and was told that the body had not been refinished, it had been replaced. They had wedded what was a '64 body to my '58 neck. You know the routings changed over the years, and that was the thing that told the tale. I ultimately had the findings verified by two other dealers in vintage instruments, who were blind to the findings of the others.
By the time the discovery was made, the company had been reorganized. The present leadership could certainly not be held accountable for what happened back then. So it's a toss up to bad judgement.


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Huh?

This is what you mean by they "owe you one?"

Let me tell you something else that was no more in vogue than SRV's #1 look back in 1969: the idea that Stratocasters could somehow be considered "vintage" instruments, with complete originality paramount in importance. In '69, they were nothing more than plug and play machines - hell, I owned a '63 back then that I paid $150 for - and CBS probably thought they were doing you a huge favor by simply replacing the body. Hell, that was Leo's big idea all along - a part breaks? A neck wears out? You replace it!


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Post subject: Yes and No...
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:42 pm
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^ I agree with you to some degree. However, the fact remains that he obviously loved that Strat and took the care to send it in for a refin, not a replacement. They should have contacted him to make him aware that they weren't planning on refin'ing the body with the 2 tone, but replacing it with a more current body. It should have been up to him. If the company was unwilling to do the refin he could have paid for it out of pocket and taken it to a private Luthier.

While it is just a hunk of wood, we all know that all hunks of wood are not created equal. I know I wouldn't be too happy if someone replaced one of my P bass bodies with another one. They all have fabulous acoustic tone which is one of the factors I use when choosing a bass. (using the logic that a good acoustic tone through good pups will give you great tone, which hasn't ever failed me yet.)

In the end, a guitar is just an instrument and as long as it does it's job then all should be good. Considering that you never questioned the body until much later then the replacement must have atleast satisfied your ears...which is the most important thing. I'd say years of playing a great instrument is worth more then cash you can snag off ebay by putting in the hands of some old geezer who'll never use a guitar for what she's meant to do...and that's play. Then again...that guitar woulda been worth alot of cash. lol


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Post subject: Re: Yes and No...
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:44 am
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^ I agree with you to some degree. However, the fact remains that he obviously loved that Strat and took the care to send it in for a refin, not a replacement. They should have contacted him to make him aware that they weren't planning on refin'ing the body with the 2 tone, but replacing it with a more current body. It should have been up to him. If the company was unwilling to do the refin he could have paid for it out of pocket and taken it to a private Luthier.

While it is just a hunk of wood, we all know that all hunks of wood are not created equal. I know I wouldn't be too happy if someone replaced one of my P bass bodies with another one. They all have fabulous acoustic tone which is one of the factors I use when choosing a bass. (using the logic that a good acoustic tone through good pups will give you great tone, which hasn't ever failed me yet.)


In the end, a guitar is just an instrument and as long as it does it's job then all should be good. Considering that you never questioned the body until much later then the replacement must have atleast satisfied your ears...which is the most important thing. I'd say years of playing a great instrument is worth more then cash you can snag off ebay by putting in the hands of some old geezer who'll never use a guitar for what she's meant to do...and that's play. Then again...that guitar woulda been worth alot of cash. lol


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The observations regarding the vintage market are valid, as are those supporting the opinion that the company should have consulted me first before taking any action other than what was requested of them.

All pecuniary considerations aside, it still remains quite disconcerting to find a '58 whose serial number is not far from that which was mine being offered for sale by a reputable dealer at $39,000. That's serious money in anyone's pocket.


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theboman wrote:
what, very well ?

then why dont you do it again??


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Brad Traweek - Fender wrote:
That's ironic that you mention that as we've actually done the very promo you mention (i.e., get a free set of strings in exchange for a "test drive") about 7 years ago. Unfortunately, as I recall it went over pretty much like pickles mixed with peanut butter. :-)
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theboman wrote:
what, very well ?

then why dont you do it again??

It did not go over very well. Pickles and Peanut Butter... might be a promotion that works if you are pregnant.


hah i know, but some people might like peanut butter n pickles, so they could get confused
I have a question for Doc regarding his crummy situation created from the refinishing of his '58.

But, right now that has to take a back seat. There are more important things to discuss. Sorry, Doc.

Youse guys have to stop picking on us fine examples of masculinity that love peanut butter and pickles! You have to be a connoisseur and know your pickles. Not just any old pickle will do. Bread and butter pickles work best. How do I know that? When I was a teenager (don't ask how long ago), before common popularity, the recipe was on the label of a well known peanut butter jar. Pregnant women stole the idea just like they did with Uggs. Besides, aren't they more associated with dills? That would be a variant of the original recipe. :P
So there, ya nay sayers. Peanut butter also works and smoothens out with mustard (regular or otherwise). 8)
Just to appease the masses . . . I'm presently having cashew butter, but I haven't tried it with pickles or mustard.

I know someone who likes peanut butter and salami. Now that's gross. Eew.

Peanut butter and pickle lovers unite. Don't let those peanut butter and mushy black banana lovers put you down. Who knows? Maybe, we can get peanut butter and pickles to show up in a jar on the store shelves. :P
Phew! That'll learn ya. Now we got that straight. :lol:
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Post subject: Re: Test Drive Bonus
Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:46 am
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ZZDoc wrote:
. . . I took the guitar to a highly reputable, New York City based dealer in used and vintage instruments to have it appraised and was told that the body had not been refinished, it had been replaced. They had wedded what was a '64 body to my '58 neck. You know the routings changed over the years, and that was the thing that told the tale. . . .
I feel your pain, Doc. That said, without starting a tone war as is common, do you remember if there was a significant change in tone with the original and replacement body for the better or worse? Regardless of the wood, density or otherwise, perhaps, the routing may have had an affect? Your thoughts?

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ZZDoc wrote:
. . . I took the guitar to a highly reputable, New York City based dealer in used and vintage instruments to have it appraised and was told that the body had not been refinished, it had been replaced. They had wedded what was a '64 body to my '58 neck. You know the routings changed over the years, and that was the thing that told the tale. . . .
I feel your pain, Doc. That said, without starting a tone war as is common, do you remember if there was a significant change in tone with the original and replacement body for the better or worse? Regardless of the wood, density or otherwise, perhaps, the routing may have had an affect? Your thoughts?

My gig wasn't chasing tone back then. It was straight through the amp with a Dano spring reverb in-between. So I really wasn't paying attention. 40 years later I've got more guitars and gear than I need, and not much more to do with them.



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