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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:24 am
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When you check out the specifications from Fender products, to my knowledge, it is not disclosed where they are manufactured. Granted, alot of us here know the country of manufacture, some do not.

Perhaps Fender should lead the way in this regard in relation to musical instruments

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I have a 'Crafted in China' Classic vibe bass, and I wish the neck on my 'Made in Mexico' 50's strat was as well crafted.

The Chinese instrument is fantastic quality. (And it says 'Crafted in China' on the headstock - so where's the problem?)

I agree. On a lot of the instruments, the big corner cutting is on the quality control. So, if you try the instrument out before you buy it, then you can often find a great deal.


The point is not that you can't buy a decent guitar built abroad, but that consumers should have the right to know where it was built and factor that information into their decision to purchase.

As for trying an instrument out first, many guitarists are finding their best deals on the Internet these days. You can't try those guitars out. Even at a brick-n-mortar guitar outlet, playing the guitar might not tell you how well the guitar is constructed or if it has any flaws because so many guitars on the wall are so poorly set up.


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When you check out the specifications from Fender products, to my knowledge, it is not disclosed where they are manufactured. Granted, alot of us here know the country of manufacture, some do not.

Perhaps Fender should lead the way in this regard in relation to musical instruments


Agreed. Even Fender doesn't always disclose where its products are manufactured. I see this as a problem with the music intrument industry as a whole.

As a customer who is loyal to Fender products, I'd love them to do as you suggest and lead the way on this effort.


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Perhaps a poll could be conducted in the Fender community on this subject and presented to Fender. Another point was brought forward in a post, regarding set-up. Although I've noticed more shops are addressing this now and not selling customers faulty goods, more should be done here as well. Perhaps another law that really looks at consumer protection.


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Perhaps a poll could be conducted in the Fender community on this subject and presented to Fender. Another point was brought forward in a post, regarding set-up. Although I've noticed more shops are addressing this now and not selling customers faulty goods, more should be done here as well. Perhaps another law that really looks at consumer protection.


I support that idea! My feeling is that the music instrument manufacturing and retail industry has gotten somewhat lax, and even slickly deceptive (by some), as it's become more popular to play an instrument over the years.


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Another point to consider is that manufacturers in many industries now assemble product overseas, but they're made from american parts. The line of whats Made in America and what isn't has gotten blurred.

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Another point to consider is that manufacturers in many industries now assemble product overseas, but they're made from american parts. The line of whats Made in America and what isn't has gotten blurred.


Very true. But I'd pay more for "Assembled in Korea with all American parts" than I would for "Manufactured and Assembled in China."


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Also the less the Goverment has to say about internet sales and what places need to do with those sales the better. That would just raise the cost more if you start adding regulations. They are already trying to find a way to charge taxes on those salesno matter where they come from. Here in MD you do not pay tax if the company does not have a location in the state which saves you 6% on that here Socialist Republic of Md.
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Anyway, isn't this whole thread rather elitist?


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More like buyer beware :!: Just because something is made in another Country does not make it junk. So knowing what Country it comes from is meaningless because you can not put the junk label on all products coming from any one place . If you do you will loose out on some nice products. Before I buy anything with high cost I educate myself on it even if it is U.S. made which in itself does not make it better.


If you support "buyer awareness," why do you have a problem with customers being allowed to know where an item is manufactured and assembled? How can a buyer beware without full information on a product? This is especially true for internet purchases. By leaving out that important information, it appears to me and many others that manufacturers and retailers are attempting to con some consumers. Note that most guitars made in the USA often have that information disclosed.

I didn't say that every item made in another country is junk -- but when it comes to guitars, a lot of it is. This is one more bit of information that consumers should have at their disposal to make "educated" choices.

Clearly, most guitars made in the USA, Germany and Japan are far superior to most guitars made in China and Indonesia.


Your misunderstanding what cvilleira is saying, he's pretty much saying that just because something comes from these other countries does not make it junk. I've seen all the Made in China stuff in the past, they are junk. I've played with MIM that are utterly junk, but lots of people swear by the MIM stuff. 2 of my Crafted in Indonesia are better in quality then some of the MIM product. I've been surprised by the CIK stuff now, where in the past you wouldn't touch those. I've not played a Crafted in China product yet. Labeling something junk because it came from somewhere other than Made in USA or Made in Mexico is ridiculous, but it's your money, so do whatever you want. By the way, I'll put my MIJ bass against any MIA or MIM bass of the same vintage, and most of the time my MIJ has better quality compared to those other basses - although the '80 were not a good decade for Fender. From what I understand, the Crafted in China stuff now are flawless - ie the Vibe Series - this is from the people that own one, like Ian Sheridan.

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ian sheridan wrote:
Anyway, isn't this whole thread rather elitist?





No,
And we must not be swayed into thinking this and letting it go on this concept.
I personally agree with the original post and among my collection of guitars I have 3 Japanese, 3 Korean, 1 Mexican and 1 Chinese.
It is not about where they are from, it's about seller's stating where they are from.
Just as a point of interest, Gibson are offering rewards for valid information leading to the seizure of chinese fakes. I know fakes can come from anywhere but thanks to the vigilance of Museseek in his post, it helps keep us aware, especially young newcomers to the guitar world.


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Sorry, my mistake.
Gibson are not offering rewards, but they do have a very aggresive policy on fake guitars, coming mainly out of China and to a lesser degree, other sources.


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Also you have a label on all new guitars that says Made In (?) it is the stores selling the guitars that do not tell you were they are made but the manufacters put a labels on them. So you would have to regulate stores internet commerce with that requirment and you could not make it on just one type of product it would have to be broad sweeping. Also if you look around a few net sites will have multi pics of the guitars that they sell and one will be a close up of the area were you have the Made in (?) such as Elderly Instruments, Sweetwater and so on they do that.

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