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Should Fender make guitars more suited for metal?
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:09 am
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It's business. Make what sells and keeps the doors open.

That said, 'personally bought Fenders for their clarity and articulation, not screeching dissonance.


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I've never really bought into the myth that you need a metal guitar to play metal and Fender isn't one. I'm guessing it's a leftover from the 80's when everyone was shunning the previous generations guitars in favor of the one's being used by the hairbands. Suddenly there were metal guitars. That lasted about 8 years and everyone started going back to the Fender's and Gibson's. Yet still the myth persisted that you needed something else for metal. As far as I'm concerned you can play metal with any guitar as long as you've got that massive gain from your amp. There are metal amps, but there aren't metal guitars. Metal's always been about volume and gain. That's not a function of the guitar.

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I've never really bought into the myth that you need a metal guitar to play metal and Fender isn't one. I'm guessing it's a leftover from the 80's when everyone was shunning the previous generations guitars in favor of the one's being used by the hairbands. Suddenly there were metal guitars. That lasted about 8 years and everyone started going back to the Fender's and Gibson's. Yet still the myth persisted that you needed something else for metal. As far as I'm concerned you can play metal with any guitar as long as you've got that massive gain from your amp. There are metal amps, but there aren't metal guitars. Metal's always been about volume and gain. That's not a function of the guitar.


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However at least myself who has a pretty good ear can tell the difference. I can even 99% of the time tell just from listening what model Fender it is..call it a gift.

However all the so called "metal" guitars sound pretty much the same to me..but I can tell somewhat if less distortion is used and if it's a "tonier" ax... for example an Eddie Van Halen Kramer.

IMO the real difference is generally the neck action and pickups. And as I previously stated we set the action fast and added a H/O humbucker to one of our fenders and it works fine for metel. I can still tell it's a Fender (the tone) but like posted we use a distortion pedal along with the dirty channel of our Mesa triple rectifier and a marshall cab. Trust me..it's heavy enough to pass live or recorded.

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nikininja wrote:
the heavy metal strats and more so hm tele's were awesome guitars. Aside from them two its a jackson or nothing for metal. I think they are the rulers in that field.


Tell that to Tony Iommi...

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All good metal guitars sound bland for anything else though.


I guess that depends on your definition of metal.

My Iceman is great for metal--so is my Les Paul--and they sound great for other stuff too.

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I agree with zontar as well. I also noticed most of the metal guitars from the 80's were "strat" type guitars anyhow...just with humbuckers and those horrible hidious floyd roses. And usually very ugly headstocks that look like boomerangs or bananas. Well at least IMO. (of course there were those oddshaped custom jobs as well..but it's still just an ax with humbuckers.

As far as the definition of "metal" ...it does depend on who you ask and their age bracket. Just like what they call "punk rock" today...not a
lot like the original punk such as sex pistols, ramones etc..things change. Some people consider green day punk as well...it is actually pretty soft pop music by typical punk standards. And what most consider metal these days is a billion times heavier then black sabbath, judas priest etc, regardless ,any of those styles could be played through any fender electric set up right and virtually no one would know the better.

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+2, Cryingstrat.

You nailed it. A pretty much out of the box Stratocaster worked for Jimi.

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Actually a video is worth a thousand words.

Click on the link below. This guy owns a butt load of fenders and other brands. He is dorky...but a good player and really into 80's metel. He demos tons of different axes so if you have the time check it out, I enjoyed it personally (there is at least 4 parts to it).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27Iejaqy ... re=related

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ok, when i say metal, i mean slayer, children of bodom, megadeth, arch enemy, lamb of god, pantera; heavy stuff.

is it possible to play this sort of metal without humbuckers?
cuz i love strats, but most of the music i'll play on guitar will be death/thrash/speed metal.

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Yes, yes, yes. Abosolutly. You can play any style of metal on any non humbucker guitar with the right overdrive/ effects and amplification. The tone may be thinner when using any pickup that is not a very high output..but it can still be done.

Our band (although not a metal band) has some material in the style of chevelle/tool etc..all played with fender axes..we are downtuned 1/2 step and drop c# tuning. However the tone is "chunkier" through the humbuckers... but this is not to say it can't be done on non humbuckers as well.

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could i make a metal sounds with single coil pickups and one of those cheapie 100$ amps?

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could i make a metal sounds with single coil pickups and one of those cheapie 100$ amps?


Yes again. what you do is set the guitar on the bridge pick up...the go through a distortion pedal gain and tone set full up...put the 100$ amp on "11"...the toss it into a metal garbage pail.

That should in theory give you metal sounds.

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alright awesome, cuz i love fender and i love metal, i suppose i can combine them.

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The average strat these days is limited for metal. Ok singlecoils do sound great for metal rhythm but do take a bit of work from a compressor in the effects loop. They are more suited to the stylings of the 70's/80's. If they were the best modern metal guitar modern metal players would play em.

I read in a guitar mag recently a interview with a member of squires managment who stated something along the lines of. " FMIC dont buy companies to turn them into fender clones, but rather buy companies who they think offer a particular level of skill and nice instruments for their niche". Tells you why they own Jackson and Charvel and ignored ESP, Ibanez and all them other chancers.

Zontar, i grew up within a stones throw of Iommi and spoke with him several times when i bumped into him through mutual friends. All i can tell you is, what he records with and what he gigs with are two different things'.


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nikininja wrote:

Zontar, i grew up within a stones throw of Iommi and spoke with him several times when i bumped into him through mutual friends. All i can tell you is, what he records with and what he gigs with are two different things'.


Either way--he played metal with them all.

And I have heard he has used Strats on some recordings, although I can't vouch for the sources.

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What makes it strictly suited for metal?

A humbucking pick-up in the bridge and a locking tremolo?


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