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Post subject: Windows 7 (end of support)
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:26 am
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Just a little PSA for those of you still using Windows 7:

What happens when Windows 7 support ends?
Applies to: Windows 7Windows 8Windows 8.1
Windows 7 support will end on January 14, 2020. If you continue to use Windows 7 after support has ended, your PC will still work, but it will become more vulnerable to security risks and viruses because you will no longer receive software updates, including security updates, from Microsoft. Microsoft strongly recommends that you move to a new PC running Windows 10 sometime before January 2020 to avoid a situation where you need service or support that is no longer available.
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Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:50 am
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Agreed but not too late to update :

https://www.howtogeek.com/186775/how-to ... a-legally/

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Post subject: Re: Windows 7 (end of support)
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:59 am
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Thanks for posting ghost. 8)

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Post subject: Re: Windows 7 (end of support)
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:03 am
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Miami Mike wrote:

So Windows 7 will still be able to download existing security patches and updates. That is not the problem.

The problem is if some hacker out there finds a new security hole tomorrow morning (or any time after that), Microsoft will not write a new security patch for Windows 7.

It's not unheard of, Microsoft released an update for Windows Vista way after it was out of support. In that case, a Russian hacker had found a back door and the problem was bad enough that it would have been irresponsible to leave it unpatched. But they are under no obligation to release new patches after their products end support.


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Post subject: Re: Windows 7 (end of support)
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:11 pm
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The link indicates how to upgrade to Win10 using an ISO file to DVD (legally).

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Post subject: Re: Windows 7 (end of support)
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:17 pm
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I'm still on Windows XP, support ended years ago. About once a week I get a little box that pops up to remind me that XP is no longer supported.

Today the BBC turned Flash Player off meaning that to watch content on the iPlayer I need to upgrade my PC (even though I have payed for a TV licence), I doubt that Windows 10 would run on this PC.

I quite like Windows XP, don't see why I should be forced to upgrade. I payed good money for this.

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Post subject: Re: Windows 7 (end of support)
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:16 pm
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ghost_of_strings wrote:
Just a little PSA for those of you still using Windows 7:

What happens when Windows 7 support ends?
What happens? Basically, frustration for the most part with browsers that are picky, and feeling cheated by not being able to add newer versions of existing or desirable software, not always a pressing issue unless you need them. Maybe, you won’t be be able to install that cool whatchamacallit to sit alongside what you find suitable now.

Can’t always blame the OS though. Hardware may have it’s limits and, as soon as you jump to a new laptop, desktop, or OS, you’re likely to see a change in computing within 6 months or sooner. If not, other software will present the latest greatest. You may not need the latest greatest software, but chances are you will be getting closer to needing a new OS or computer to support it because what you do use may be incorporated or lost with a thingamabob requirement. :roll: As far as security, you got it Ghost. It’s a double edge sword though. Hackers are just as likely to pinpoint the newer OS to gain a foothold before all the missed opportunities for prevention are discovered, or for a challenge, and because popularity gathers others.

It was just announced there is a user estimation of 50% on Windows 10, and 33 % on Windows 7. That amounts to 1 billion on Windows 10. Popularity? Perhaps; but, as population explodes so do new buyers and users and that affects the stats and promotion. On the flip side did ya ever notice government and financial institutions are usually one step behind in their OS? Security is questionable but highly monitored AFAIK.

Me? Vista, but not for long, but likely as well. Security? Ask me about Windows 3.0 and Win 95. Better still, ask me about the vulnerability of apps. It’s all hackable more or less and with a dice roll there are unsuspecting Trojans lurking out there and in here: https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.huffpos ... 7e4702/amp

My old Pentium II with Windows 95 loved a Blue Screen of Death, Asteroids, Commander Keen, NASCAR, and Doom, but it also loved a 24 track audio board DAW, my Cad and 3D animator hat, and it taught me how to reinstall from no other choice days. Not fun though.

My crystal ball has images of only one provider made available such as a browser giving us the whole kit and caboodle where they or Orwell controls the OS and prevents viruses. Nice! Then together we can together all watch the Gremlin do it’s stuff. :wink: I’ve had years and plenty of expensive dedicated computers for audio and video that kept chugging amongst leading edge competition. Some good, some bad . . . but, the Internet wasn’t involved, and security was the big dude at reception. :lol: Thanks, for posting Ghost. With Windows 7 losing support, Vista and XP are just about memories. At least 4 strings, 6 strings, and 12 strings are still around - for now. :wink:
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Post subject: Re: Windows 7 (end of support)
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:39 pm
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I've no worries since I no longer use Windows.


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Post subject: Re: Windows 7 (end of support)
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:24 am
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Fender Strat Brat wrote:
As far as security, you got it Ghost. It’s a double edge sword though. Hackers are just as likely to pinpoint the newer OS to gain a foothold before all the missed opportunities for prevention are discovered, or for a challenge, and because popularity gathers others.

The difference is:
Scenario A: Someone compromises Windows 10, Microsoft releases a security patch

Scenario B: Someone compromises Windows 7, Microsoft DOESN'T release a security patch

Personally I'm WAY more comfortable with Scenario A. Especially when it comes to business because people like me can lose our jobs for having known out-of-date Windows on our network.

"When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail"

I'm sure everyone heard a lot about "Ransomware" in the news. Well what the fear monger press tends to leave out of the headlines is the fact that Microsoft usually has these vulnerabilities patched pretty immediately. Where people run into a problem is when they don't run their Windows updates regularly. So they don't get the new security patch and bad things happen. Kind of like if you don't change the oil in your car for a couple of years.

If I am thinking like a hacker, I know as soon as I find the back door into Windows 10, Microsoft will close that door and the next day I need to find a new door. With unsupported Windows OS, nobody is there to close that door.

By the way, you can pay for 3rd party support. It does exist but people don't like paying for their Windows updates - so they don't.


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Post subject: Re: Windows 7 (end of support)
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:45 am
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Miami Mike wrote:
The link indicates how to upgrade to Win10 using an ISO file to DVD (legally).


New Win10 builds require dual layer DVDs which are hard to find.

Best advice is to create a bootable USB having a storage capacity of 64GB or higher.


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Post subject: Re: Windows 7 (end of support)
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:48 am
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ghost_of_strings wrote:
people don't like paying for their Windows updates.


It's because the majority of Windows updates are botched causing more harm to the OS.


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Post subject: Re: Windows 7 (end of support)
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:52 am
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chromeface wrote:
Miami Mike wrote:
The link indicates how to upgrade to Win10 using an ISO file to DVD (legally).


New Win10 builds require dual layer DVDs which are hard to find.

Best advice is to create a bootable USB having a storage capacity of 64GB or higher.


Yes and a great price right here - https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/ ... lsrc=aw.ds

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Post subject: Re: Windows 7 (end of support)
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:15 am
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ghost_of_strings wrote:
"When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail" . . .

If I am thinking like a hacker, I know as soon as I find the back door into Windows 10, Microsoft will close that door and the next day I need to find a new door. With unsupported Windows OS, nobody is there to close that door.

By the way, you can pay for 3rd party support. It does exist but people don't like paying for their Windows updates - so they don't.
You are right in this, Ghost. I used to be super diligent and active in prevention after teaming up with an American and a Brit that hacked into our PCs with a fraudulent rerouting of our computers to the FBI. We stayed up all night and into the next day finding commonalities and location of the culprit (Bulgaria) in our computers with Win 95 and DOS, and the authorities were informed with some success. I also got my PC hit where non sensitive data went streaming up my screen like in the Matrix until I pulled the plug, changed my address, and reinstalled with other considerations. No evident problems since.

I never did financial affairs on computer at the time as more than once I have been asked to open online accounts, only to see that specific bank and other financial institutions hit nationally within a week. My home encryption and OS outshot theirs, and yes they have an army of staff that keeps a watchful eye, but they have weaknesses ready to sell to the customer. After all, some banking is insured to a limit, others are not, and Fort Knox, the FBI, the Pentagon, and even the White House have been compromised. Not much chance of assured protection for little ol’ me regardless of the vigilance. I’ve recently discovered that there, from actual examples, is just as much if not more chance of interference from inside an establishment than outside.

Here’s one example: Syskey was removed from Windows 10 because it became a tool that could be used against the owner when another could access your Syskey to encrypt files which is it’s prime purpose for your protection, but not their ransom which became possible, Nice job Microsoft!

APK files with Android have played their part in distributing Ransomware.

Apple’s iCloud and Find My iPhone along with Safari to be brief have supported Ransomware too.

Actually, if there is a way to deliver ransomware they’ll find it. On the other hand, key loggers and such are my dislikes.

While I do agree the latest updates are very important, I tire of continuously supporting software developers, be they games which could be shifted to gaming machines or other that disrupt updating an otherwise running OS just because they can, usually for profit, and taking hardware and programs down the tube with incompatibility issues. Don’t get me wrong. I’m all for progress, have modern decor (and even that goes back and came back), have a modern Strat and 60s drums, but I still can drive a classic car (If I had one) and play a tape or a 78rpm. :wink:
Operating systems and browsers? Have they really given us more or have they taken away as much as they give? Sometimes, I long for my own search solutions rather than the results I’m spoon fed with. There has to be a better solution for all this disruption and folly. I’m betting NASA has a better answer.

No support for Windows 7, or Vista, or XP Microsoft? How about continued support for Windows 10? That would be novel. Yeah, right. :lol:
Meanwhile, grab them thar updates y’all, then you can get back to work or play - maybe.

Just sayin’.

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Post subject: Re: Windows 7 (end of support)
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:35 am
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chromeface wrote:
ghost_of_strings wrote:
people don't like paying for their Windows updates.


It's because the majority of Windows updates are botched causing more harm to the OS.

Just curious what you are basing that on. Some updates are superceded by other updates, but they don't hire psychics (afaik).


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Actually, if there is a way to deliver ransomware they’ll find it.

This is entirely the point. It's not a matter of if, but when.

What is important is to have a disaster recovery plan that works. So you have backups eh? Are they encrypted? Would it be possible for ransomware to encrypt your files before they are backed up so you can't restore them without paying? How much would it hurt to lose those files? People used to print their photos and the biggest threat was water damage. These days a lot of people leave their pictures digital. Can you imagine losing every picture you ever took of your kids all at once? Yikes.


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