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Post subject: Musical Instruments To Be Exempt From Rosewood Restrictions
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:29 am
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I just read this article:

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/27/75450968 ... ed-rosewoo

I wonder if Fender will still have the price higher for the rosewood fretboards and the imitation rosewood ones (which, I don't know why those cost more in the first place,) than the maple ones? Knowing them, probably. :P

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Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:45 am
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If true, it's salvation for most guitar manufacturers.

Fender can return to Leo's original specs and Gibson can abandon that baked-maple bullshit.

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Post subject: Re: Musical Instruments To Be Exempt From Rosewood Restricti
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:56 am
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Baked maple sounds like some sort of dessert. :P What was the deal with that, anyhow? Was it the same as a maple board but they just had it darkened?

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Post subject: Re: Musical Instruments To Be Exempt From Rosewood Restricti
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:13 am
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PaulLF wrote:

I wonder if Fender will still have the price higher for the rosewood fretboards and the imitation rosewood ones (which, I don't know why those cost more in the first place,) than the maple ones? Knowing them, probably. :P

If I recall correctly, it wasn’t always that way. In the 60s maple was a special order since rosewood was the flavour of the day and maple wasn’t. There are reports of special ordered maple slab installed maple necks with the truss rods sandwiched (just for Teles at first). Those no skunk line maple slab options (‘60 -‘68) cost slightly more than the more common rosewood fret board necks trending in the industry. Full maple necks eventually returned.

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Post subject: Re: Musical Instruments To Be Exempt From Rosewood Restricti
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:21 am
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LOL @ Paul

Dessert :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Musical Instruments To Be Exempt From Rosewood Restricti
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:36 am
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Most companies have already stocked up on all those other wood replacements, I doubt we'll see any sales events or write off's to return to rosewood as the norm. It'll likely take a few years to go through the system and possibly never return except for the higher end builds. The damage has been done.


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Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:54 am
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Unneeded stocks of lumber can always be wholesaled off and repurposed for other applications (furniture, kitchen utensils, and the like).

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Post subject: Re: Musical Instruments To Be Exempt From Rosewood Restricti
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:22 pm
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Completed instruments with rosewood components won't be restricted anymore.

But manufacturers will still need to jump through hoops to acquire the raw rosewood to make the guitars.

So while this makes it much easier on consumers and resellers, manufacturers will still have some extra costs and risks using rosewood. Don't expect a full return to yesteryear when they could use rosewood on lower end models. They'll continue to use alternate woods for those.


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Post subject: Re: Musical Instruments To Be Exempt From Rosewood Restricti
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:35 pm
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PaulLF wrote:
Baked maple sounds like some sort of dessert. :P What was the deal with that, anyhow? Was it the same as a maple board but they just had it darkened?


The process is called "torrefaction". The wood is heated to a high enough temperature that it would normally burst into flames, but it's done in an oxygen-free chamber. It changes the chemical structure of the resins in the wood, making it harder and much more water resistant.

It's an old process. The deck boards of WWII era warships were often made of torrified North American woods.


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Post subject: Re: Musical Instruments To Be Exempt From Rosewood Restricti
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:21 pm
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I didn't know about that. I take it that it's supposed to change the tonal aspects of the wood, then?

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Post subject: Re: Musical Instruments To Be Exempt From Rosewood Restricti
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:03 am
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PaulLF wrote:
I didn't know about that. I take it that it's supposed to change the tonal aspects of the wood, then?
Yep!
But, that’s all subjective considering the build - bracing, nut, fretboard, bridge and so on and so on. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Musical Instruments To Be Exempt From Rosewood Restricti
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:49 pm
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I suppose if you like the way it sounds, and the way it plays, then that's ultimately what matters.

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Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:53 pm
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I'm hoping someone came to their senses finally, on this Rosewood issue. The raid the feds pulled on the Gibson facility, was way out of line.

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Post subject: Re: Musical Instruments To Be Exempt From Rosewood Restricti
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:43 pm
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Yeah, I thought that was pretty messed up, as well. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Musical Instruments To Be Exempt From Rosewood Restricti
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:06 pm
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PaulLF wrote:
I suppose if you like the way it sounds, and the way it plays, then that's ultimately what matters.
I agree with you, Paul. Not many would intentionally choose looks over tone or playability. The search for the ultimate tone is quite the journey. A luthier may choose the wood or electronics, have a goal in mind, but the end product will have a personality of it’s own. Even a CNC cut guitar with Plek will not match any other after all is said and done.

We can chase another’s tone, and that may be mighty fine; but, perhaps that initial tone could be challenged with personal preference, and maybe the tone will show up by chance or maybe it just hasn’t been made yet and maybe it never will show up (not to say it isn’t out there).

Now to get that gem with the looks, the playability, and the sound. . . that would be bliss which brings me to wonder if your idol’s axe (based on sound) can meet your desired looks and your personal playability requirements. Perhaps, it may not be a great fit.

Speaking of rosewood, we should not expect today’s faux rosewood to have the same qualities of the original Brazilian variety. This Is like comparing sparkling wine to champagne, and there are those who prefer sparkling wine over champagne, and yet champagne gets the most love and for a reason. While very close, we can’t expect guitar copies to reproduce original sound of their ancestors without the original parts (wood, electronics, and similar hardware). Even with an artist’s name attached? I have doubts that will make the copy equal even amongst their brethren. It might be in the same neighbourhood though. Even two equal strings can’t reproduce sound identically. If it sounds good it is good.

Ah, but there is a way to improve the odds. We have the luxury of emulation and/or simulation which is very good today and getting better. I managed to get and tweak with software a specific Strat surf sound that is locked in my head from my youth. Not perfect, but very close. However, is rosewood or other taken into account when electronically simulated? I dunno. Likely not. That would be cool with my maple neck.

Like Tami and Marvin put it, “ain’t nothing like the real thing baby”.

Make it your own.
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