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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:28 am
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I find thay are pretty good. But you are right, the MANUEL locking tuners suck, and YES, thay do take chunks from your skin.... :lol:

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jeffo46: First of all, the ones I didn't like were on my Parker and I have since replaced them with Grover Auto-Locks, which I got for half-price through a friend who had a small music dealer business. They list around $80 a set and I sold the Parker tuners on eBay for $35. The change-over cost me all of five bucks and the little eBay posting fee. I haven't dealt with the type Fender uses (which MAY work better, BUT they are the same principle, MANUAL Twist-Locks, which to me, is now 'old skool'.) All of my 6-string guitars have Auto-Lock tuners, including my Strat, because of the '86 PRS I've had since 1988. I also put Dunlop Strap-Loks on ALL my guitars, including my Ric-12 370 BYRD and my Dean Edge bass.

Now then.... getting back to Syeklops (& Eddie) and anyone reading this:

All I was saying is, there's NO logical reason to keep making something that's 'old skool' when a better designed item supplants it. OK.... so basic tuners are a lot cheaper to make, cost less to acquire AND they work fine on hardtail guitars. However, why keep making, selling and using Manual Twist Locks when Auto-Locks are so superior? They weigh less, cost about the same and (IMHO) do the job far better, especially on guitars with standard type (non-Floyd Rose) tremolo systems.

Same issue I have with the 3-piece Tele 'old skool' bridge. Early on, back around '67 or '68, when I was still learning about guitars, I bought a brand new Telecaster. (HS case was included in the price.)

[ Which reminds me.... IF anyone reading this is about to buy a vehicle, new OR used, BE SURE the tank is FULL to the brim before you agree to sign or hand over a dime.... Good advice, eh? ]

Anyway...... when I tried to intonate the Tele, I couldn't because the D and G strings needed different positions and a compromise between the two on one shared saddle just didn't cut it. I was super ticked.... big time.... knowing that a Strat had a 6-piece FULLY adjustable bridge since 1953 !!!!! Leo had at least a dozen years to upgrade before he sold and yet the new owners kept right on doing the same old BS. I felt like I had purchased a new car with wooden wagon wheels. What The H.....??? Subsequently, when I talked to other guitarists about the problem, I was advised to sell it and buy an LP.... which is what I did. Sunburst Deluxe, brand spankin' new with the case and tax included, under $400! I had that for about 8 years before my aching shoulder finally said; Enough's Enuff !! I went with a dual-cutaway Hamer for about a year, tried a Gibson Victory and finally got a Strat. It was the 'Contemporary' model with the all-metal string clamp on the nut. I cut a lot of high E's before finding out Fender got smarter and put in plastic fittings so chopping the strings wouldn't occur anymore. What happened to pre-production Research ??? I finally got my hands on a PRS and still have it after 20 years. Sure, I picked up a Parker so I could get acoustic sounds and it would be a 'spare' as well..... AND I eventually bought a new Strat...... but by this time I knew what upgrades I could make to it that would satisfy my performance needs and eliminate 'old skool' issues that bugged me. This is the result:
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:27 am
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I guess it's like everything else , you get what you pay for. I'm sure that they sell cheap locking tuners and some expensive ones. I never have problems with the ones that came with my deluxe. Maybe I'm just lucky but my guitar will stay in tune until I change strings. :) They have never hurt my hands in anyway! :wink:


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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:51 am
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fhopkins: It's good that you are happy with those tuners. My point was "why not eliminate the extra steps and time involved having to deal with twisting the tuners tight or untwisting them when auto-locks do it FOR you? They are quicker, easier-simpler and hassle-free. IMHO, a "Deluxe" model guitar should have (come with) THE BEST possible hardware/accoutrements.... otherwise it shouldn't be called "Deluxe".
(Apparently, in Fender's case..... it's the 'Best they can do-offer'..... oh, well.)


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fhopkins: It's good that you are happy with those tuners. My point was "why not eliminate the extra steps and time involved having to deal with twisting the tuners tight or untwisting them when auto-locks do it FOR you? They are quicker, easier-simpler and hassle-free. IMHO, a "Deluxe" model guitar should have (come with) THE BEST possible hardware/accoutrements.... otherwise it shouldn't be called "Deluxe".
(Apparently, in Fender's case..... it's the 'Best they can do/offer'..... oh, well.)

I hear what you're saying, just like I think we should have got better cases. I'm just happy with my tuners, I guess because I've never tried any other locking ones! :)


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fhopkins: Well, after years of it being so easy to change strings on my PRS, it just bugged me having to deal with the Parker's take on twist-locks. I ran across Grover's Auto-Locks on eBay and asked that music-dealer friend if he could get a set for me at his price and he got 2 sets. As soon as I switched out the Parker and discovered they were just as good (maybe better) than the auto-locks on the PRS, I went right back and got the second set for my Strat. Now, all 3 of my 6-string guitars are equal in the string-changing arena and I couldn't be happier with the results.

The rhythm guitarist in my band has a rare early '90s hard-tail Parker and he decided not to make ANY changes with his guitar even if the Grovers would be better. Even though he never plans to EVER sell it, he feels it will hold it's value remaining factory 'original'. I lucked out getting my $1.5G Parker NiteFly half-price due to a small, rear, showroom ding. It has an easy-access battery compartment that's a much better design than his older 'use a dime to undo the screw' type, and he knows that much, but he can't change it, so he just accepts it as is.

My simple philosophy is: (Especially applied to guitars) If you can do better, do it.... if you can upgrade, do that as well.... if you can replace an old design or part with a newer, better one, more than likely, you'll be glad you did. It's usually worth the cost and the effort. Sometimes though, (depending) it's wise to save the old one..... just in case.

Note: This should only apply to 'things'..... not people, LOL! :lol:


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I have the locking tuners on my main guitar and find they are just fine.
String changes are quick and they don't slip.
I've had no troubles with the manual wheel trying to remove chunks of skin.

The standard tuning machines on my other guitars take a longer to wind on the stings and they do occasionally slip.

So none of them suck, just depends what your preference is.

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PeterP: Let me offer a 'challenge' to you.....

Upgrade any one of those 'other' guitars to the Grover Auto-Locks and I'll bet that after a while, you'll want to upgrade ALL your guitars, including the Deluxe Strat. I've seen both the slant 6 and the 3-3 sets on eBay for about $50. A good amount less than the $80 list. Especially if you play enough to change your strings often, believe me, you'll be glad you did it. They are soooooo well worth the investment!


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jeffo46 wrote:
You know what? It's all a matter of personal preference as far as I'm concerned. My 2 Strats have the Fender Schaller Locking tuners which I paid $60.00 a set for, and I have not encountered any problems tuning or otherwise with these as long as I have has these on my guitars. I'm happy with them and don't feel the need to change them, case closed!


Amen brother! To each his own! I don't understand all of the postings"if it's not like mine it can't be as good" That's narrow minded. I am glad and happy for all of Fender owners regardless what model it is! :)


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You guys want to stick with what you've got and you're happy.... fine. I never said "if it's not like mine it can't be as good" NOR did I mean to imply it. I've had all types and I was merely letting people know what I use, what I believe is the best option from experience and what I personally recommend.... nothing more.

Some people like shoes or sneakers that they have to bend down and tie a little bow on..... Me? I prefer a western style boot.... Slip them on, slip'em off and done.

Some people are into being confrontational while others appreciate peace and relaxation. It can depend on ones' temperament, attitude, personality, disposition or mood.

Biggest problem with any text message is that it's emotionally FLAT and sometimes we read more into them than either IS there or was intended.

I only know what my experience has taught me and I'm simply offering advice. Whether or not it's taken is up to those who make that choice. If my 'testimony' sways the jury, so be it. However, unless ALL the evidence is weighed, any condemnation is presumptuous. IE: If one never tries, they'll never know the difference. (and I'm NOT implying that "ignorance is bliss" as that, apparently, is nolo contendere, ipso facto.)


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I'm dropping out of this topic as I did not mean nor do I want it to offend anyone. If I did I'm sorry. I always look at my glass as half full instead of half empty. Do not take anything I said the wrong way. Good luck my friend! :) 8)


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Any POV (point of view) is just that..... how we individually see things from where we stand.... which may also be understood as 'experience'....
Advice shouldn't disrupt contentment..... it's either taken or ignored. There really isn't any need to defend contentment, nor negate such advice.

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I just might give them a try on my camping FrankenGuitar this winter, don't think I can hurt it anymore :)
Grover tuners are running only 45$ in the stores like Music123 so it would not be an expensive experiment.
The Schaller, Sperzel and Gotoh locking tuners are all listing at 70$+.

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PeterP: Let me offer a 'challenge' to you.....

Upgrade any one of those 'other' guitars to the Grover Auto-Locks and I'll bet that after a while, you'll want to upgrade ALL your guitars, including the Deluxe Strat. I've seen both the slant 6 and the 3-3 sets on eBay for about $50. A good amount less than the $80 list. Especially if you play enough to change your strings often, believe me, you'll be glad you did it. They are soooooo well worth the investment!

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Excellent Peter.....
Grover 406C6 for the six-in-line or the 406C for the 3-3 splits.

Direct off the Grover web site or here's one set on eBay:
Item # 220288925517 from MorrisonBrothersMusic, in Ridgeland, Miss.
$42.95 + 5.95 S&H = $48.90

Do an eBay search for Grover Locking Tuners at the time you will purchase and you might win a set for much less. Good Luck, GM1117


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I took the locking tuners off my PRS and put on grovers, because the PRS locking tuners were a big pain in the BUTT, call me stupid sparky but some times it would take me almost a hour to replace 6 strings on my PRS, I swear I'm telling the truth, 10 fingers up to God , maybe there was somekind of trick to the PRS tuners, I just couldn't find it and I changed those strings a lot, the sperziles on my strat are great, someone said
"a good guitar stays in tune" to that I say, YES
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