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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:13 am
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Didn't Elvis Costello release his new album exclusively on Vinyl and then made the CD release?

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New is not always better than old, just a little easier, which brings me to another thought but......................... not now! :wink:


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Just something I read on a Jazz site.
The debate about compact discs and downloads versus vinyl has never really gone away and with good reason. Even though in many circles people who openly defend vinyl have been dismissed as eccentric freaks (cool DJs aside of course) nothing could be further from the truth; in fact, in recent news there has been a huge trend towards a return to this sound and many, many respected artists (Radiohead and Elvis Costello just to name two) have made a point of releasing/reissuing material on top quality vinyl. This isn’t just for effect: Mainstream stores are suddenly stocking USB turntables and record players are being ferreted out of attics and thrift stores. The sound on vinyl has always reported to be a much richer, warmer sound; some people even respond to the sound of the tiny imperfections. The compact disc sound on the other hand is often considered too perfect, too sterile – the resulting sound can come across as cold, stark and glaring, much like the harsh lighting in a big box store. And poor quality downloads are a whole other issue, particularly when listened to with cheap, primitive earbuds. Convenient, obviously, but unacceptable to a serious listener.

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It's like this, digital code is all 0s and 1s, so what happens to the sound thats in between ? do you make it a 1 or 0 , digital can't understand 1&1/2 or 0&1/2 so you loose whats there. :wink:


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Heck I still plop 45's down. Went to a yard sale Saturday and bought some more of them. Most still had there sleeves and all. One that I snaped up fast was Badfinger ( Come And Get It/ Rock Of Ages) $3.00 looked new.

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It's like this, digital code is all 0s and 1s, so what happens to the sound thats in between ? do you make it a 1 or 0 , digital can't understand 1&1/2 or 0&1/2 so you loose whats there. :wink:


It's been years since I had to use signal theory but that's not exactly how it's encoded. What you have desribed is a single bit recording which isn't done for music. Even if all you had was 1 and 0 you'd still record at least the sign which gives you a double bit record (1 or 0 and +/-). That works but not really well. So you also record a couple bits for amplitude and maybe phase and you get the whole signal assuming it's properly sampled. CD's record 16 bits of information for every sample at a sample rate of 44,000 samples per second (CD quality sound) and they record every sample they take. That sample rate means in theory they catch both the + and - side of a 22kHz signal which is the top end of the "music" sound spectrum. MP3 basically takes the CD sample, applies an algorithm to throw out all the redundant information and then records the compressed signal. When it's played back the reverse algorithm is applied and hopefully all of the information is restored. It rarely is, although an oversampled MP3 will almost duplicate the orginal 16 bit CD sample. So MP3's are always worse than CD's as far as data quality, however most of the processing algorithms distort the original signal to make it more pleasing to the ear.


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I also buy LPs...bought around 90 of them a few months back at a garage sale...ended up with some very rare Zeppelin vinyl worth quite a bit of change; but I bought them because I love vinyl....still play them. I am currently looking to buy some on ebay right now.


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Thanks for adding more info to my simplistic explantions! You seem to know your stuff! :)


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Some people like the warmer sound of vinyl and ignore the subsequent pops, hiss and other annoying added noise that eventually comes with it. Those who have been Very Irritated by those audio demons have a special appreciation for the clarity of digital and can now hear many details in the music never noticed before (nor audible) on vinyl. All coins have two sides as do opinions.... If there was a way to keep vinyl 100% clean and free of dust from day one AND read the info with a laser beam instead of a physical digging needle, maybe we'd have a perfect middle ground with all the pluses of both types and minimize the negatives.
As for the Tube-Transistor issue, amps that use at least ONE pre-amp tube and keep weight down by using transistors for everything else are the best compromise found so far. All-Tubes weigh a LOT more and are way too expensive to own and maintain. Only guitar players really need the extra warmth that ONLY tubes can achieve. All others sound just fine with the more reliable transistor power. (All Info and opinions have been gleaned from nearly 50 years of personal experience. However, YOUR opinion is best for YOU. Neither one invalidates the other. All we try to do is make a a decent and honest attempt to help people make choices &/or be aware of choices they may not have realized existed. Besides, it's always best to get two or more sources of information, beyond opinions. Never rely on 1.)


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I've yet to see a easily accessible place to go to vinyl. As a result, I think it's just available for a very narrow market. I think you'd have to go to special store to find this sort of thing.

I personally prefer CD, just for the pure sound quality. But if there are Vinyl people out there, I'm happy for them, that they can still find albums that they want in their format.

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As luck or fate would have it, DJ 'scratchers' have been actively ruining old vinyl for years.... however, they DID keep companies who made vinyl turntables IN business and THAT has been the main reason vinyl can even make the attempt to resurge at all. (As any computer user knows, software doesn't work without the hardware.)


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I have heard that more vinyl LPs are being made now than in a long time.

What I like better about playing vinyl is the richer spatial imaging of the sounds.

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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:30 pm
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I ended up buying Neil Young's album "Time Fades Away". It is, I believe, the only Neil Young album never released on CD. There has been a petition drive for years, but last I heard, it still is not on CD. See the story here:
http://www.thrasherswheat.org/tnfy/tfa-petition.php

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As I said on another thread, those of us old enough to remember vinyl may look back nostagically. We tend to forget every pop, skip, hiss and scratch on our favorite records. There is a trend toward vinyl, but the last sales figures I saw were an estimated 300,000 copies in '07. Even in these times of year over year double-digit declines in CD sales, this is a drop in the bucket.

I listen to a lot of Blues and Fat Possum Records is re-releasing selected Blues albums on 180g virgin vinyl. I still have my turntable, but my record collection is stored about 1,200 mi away.


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Vinyl you got turn the black light on and do what ever.

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