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Post subject: So Whats the deal with Broadcaster N Nocaster?
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:32 pm
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Like i think it had something 2 do with Fred Ghrech? Right


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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:38 pm
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Huh?

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cryingstrat wrote:
Huh?


+1. No comprende.


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citizenerased wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
Huh?


+1. No comprende.


Seems we're on the outside of an inside joke?

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citizenerased wrote:
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Huh?


+1. No comprende.
I mean the name cuz i think fender had 2 change the name 2 nocaster cuz fred ghrech copy righted the name broadcaster?


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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:48 pm
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Found this on wikipedia in the course of a minute:

One of the Gretsch Company's largest influences on electric guitar culture came, not from a guitar, but rather a drum set. The Gretsch Broadkaster drum set has the distinction of being the reason Leo Fender had to change the name of his pioneering solidbody electric guitar. Fender introduced the Spanish-style electric instrument in 1950 as the "Broadcaster". After receiving a cease-and-desist notice from the Gretsch company about the trademarked name, the Fender Broadcaster became the "Telecaster". A short run of intermediate, unlabeled guitars ("Nocasters") are extremely rare and highly valued on the vintage market.


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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:49 pm
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Wikipedia is your friend:

The initial production model appeared in 1950, and was called the Esquire. Fewer than fifty guitars were originally produced under that name, and most were replaced under warranty because of early manufacturing problems. In particular, the Esquire necks had no truss rod and many were replaced due to bent necks. Later in 1950, this single-pickup model was discontinued, and a two-pickup model was renamed the Broadcaster. From this point onwards all Fender necks incorporated truss rods. The Gretsch company, itself a manufacturer of hollowbody electric guitars (and now owned by Fender), claimed that "Broadcaster" violated the trademark for its Broadkaster line of drums, and as a newcomer to the industry, Fender decided to bend and changed the name to Telecaster, after the newly popular medium of television. (The guitars manufactured in the interim bore no name, and are now popularly called 'Nocasters.')

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^ :lol: :lol: Both of us found pretty much the exact same thing in the course of thirty seconds.


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citizenerased wrote:
^ :lol: :lol: Both of us found pretty much the exact same thing in the course of thirty seconds.


Great minds think alike dude! :shock:

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Google and wikipedia are often your friends. It saves you the embarrassment of a failed topic.


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When Fender introduced the Broadcaster guitar, Gretsch claimed the name infringed on its trademark for the Broadkaster drum series. So Fender changed the name to avoid lawsuit.

Ever frugal with his resources, Leo cut out the word "Broadcaster" from the headstock labels and continued to use them until he ran out. The guitars produced during this transition period are unofficially known as "Nocasters."

I think Telecaster is a much better name than Broadcaster, so I'd call Fender the winner in this little dispute.


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russianracehorse wrote:
When Fender introduced the Broadcaster guitar, Gretsch claimed the name infringed on its trademark for the Broadkaster drum series. So Fender changed the name to avoid lawsuit.

Ever frugal with his resources, Leo cut out the word "Broadcaster" from the headstock labels and continued to use them until he ran out. The guitars produced during this transition period are unofficially known as "Nocasters."

I think Telecaster is a much better name than Broadcaster, so I'd call Fender the winner in this little dispute.


Considering the fact that Fender now owns Gretsch, I'd say they won big time!

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cryingstrat wrote:
russianracehorse wrote:
When Fender introduced the Broadcaster guitar, Gretsch claimed the name infringed on its trademark for the Broadkaster drum series. So Fender changed the name to avoid lawsuit.

Ever frugal with his resources, Leo cut out the word "Broadcaster" from the headstock labels and continued to use them until he ran out. The guitars produced during this transition period are unofficially known as "Nocasters."

I think Telecaster is a much better name than Broadcaster, so I'd call Fender the winner in this little dispute.


Considering the fact that Fender now owns Gretsch, I'd say they won big time!


There's also this little gem:

http://www.ggjaguar.com/broad.htm

So, since Fender and Gretsch are apparently one big happy family now (btw, Kaman Corporation had distribution control of Gretsch drums until Fender bought it at the beginning of this year), why couldn't there be a Fender Broadcaster reissue now?


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twangee wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
russianracehorse wrote:
When Fender introduced the Broadcaster guitar, Gretsch claimed the name infringed on its trademark for the Broadkaster drum series. So Fender changed the name to avoid lawsuit.

Ever frugal with his resources, Leo cut out the word "Broadcaster" from the headstock labels and continued to use them until he ran out. The guitars produced during this transition period are unofficially known as "Nocasters."

I think Telecaster is a much better name than Broadcaster, so I'd call Fender the winner in this little dispute.


Considering the fact that Fender now owns Gretsch, I'd say they won big time!


There's also this little gem:

http://www.ggjaguar.com/broad.htm

So, since Fender and Gretsch are apparently one big happy family now (btw, Kaman Corporation had distribution control of Gretsch drums until Fender bought it at the beginning of this year), why couldn't there be a Fender Broadcaster reissue now?


That's a brilliant marketing idea....

"For the first time in 50 years, Fender is proud to reintroduce the Fender Broadcaster!"
Edit: You should forward that idea to Brad.

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Somehow, I'd bet that someone in the Fender business/marketing area probably knows about that already and is thinking about it. It'd have to be an exact reissue, considering the number and levels of Tele reissues that Fender makes now. And I'd also guess that it wouldn't be cheap or plentiful.


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