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Post subject: ISO short-depth humidifier recomendation
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:19 am
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I just picked up a Simon and Patrick Woodland Pro Parlor in great condition. I’m looking for a recomendation for an acoustic humidifier that might be more fitted for a shallow depth guitar like this. I have the planet waves packet system in my Martin D-15 and that humidifier touches the bottom of the guitar when in place and the Martin is much thicker than the Parlor. Anyone have any recommendations? Perhaps a uke-sized humidifier


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Post subject: Re: ISO short-depth humidifier recomendation
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:20 pm
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I’m not going to be much help here, but I’ll add my 2 cents.

I use those dry paks too. I can see where they might be less than perfect as you mentioned; but, the way they work (as opposed to the water types which work perfectly fine for those who choose that method) allows you to have flexibility as to positioning in your case without damage to your guitar. I use the two pack as usual with the two pack pouch between the strings in the sound hole, and I am comfortable expecting that the pre-amp and switches inside the acoustic will not get too much moisture if any this way. The single pack when in it’s pouch can actually have the top flap fit over the head. I know it says slip it under the neck or head, but that means it can move around in a gig bag, not necessarily staying where you prefer.

While many, especially those with multiple guitars, use a simple Rube Goldberg water dampened sponge in the case, without my endorsement, I have to say I love the paks as the humidity is better controlled being two way humidity concentrated. A wet water sponge only gives you moisture and does not take it away. Also, note that many of these sponge bobs only claim to be leak resistant, and not leak proof. A ukelele humidifier may meet your needs and liking, however.

In short, I wouldn’t be concerned about the paks excess in the sound hole. While paks can be used outside the hole, it is recommended to use the sound hole to get have the innards (such as bracing and unfinished wood) of your acoustic treated. That said, it’s not always possible by design. Violins may have the humidity care come from just in and about the case, rather than in the violin for example.

Some use 79% humidity paks to season or adjust a wooden guitar/case for about 2 weeks or before (if the paks harden) when first starting out. They then move to 49% or thereabouts once the case is considered to be moisturized. Many cases, and certainly gig bags, made today will not require this extra step though. Your choice.

Cost? Well, the paks are easy peasy, and do the job they are intended to do. Toss them in and forget them. YMMV

The other answer? As we speak, I’m looking at installing a whole house humidifier optimized for the music room. I still have some research to do to make it work the way I want. I suppose I could tack humidipaks on the walls around the room. :lol:
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*Note: Boveda makes those paks and they may make similar smaller ones. I don’t know. Perhaps, others are available elsewhere. Do not mix the percentage of humidity with the packaging in whatever form. It should all be the same when in use. For example, all 49% . . . not more and less to reach 49% humidity. That will not work.

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Post subject: Re: ISO short-depth humidifier recomendation
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:12 pm
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Fender Strat Brat wrote:
I am comfortable expecting that the pre-amp and switches inside the acoustic will not get too much moisture if any this way. The single pack when in it’s pouch can actually have the top flap fit over the head. I know it says slip it under the neck or head, but that means it can move around in a gig bag, not necessarily staying where you prefer.

Same here. I have 2 in the sound hole and one behind the headstock. The envelope, in the nylon bag, will not "haze" the finish as something wet might.

As for their efficacy? Dunno... Here's a chart from my Taylor in my upstairs bedroom in Southern California... To get a comparison, I'd have to put another sensor in my Strat case.

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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:58 pm
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Great post with useful information as usual, Rich. I have to ask how you got that chart. I get the sensors, and is it an iPhone, iPad, Android, Mac or PC app? Is it the option to replace the battery/input box with the one that has a sensor on the Taylor? How about the Strat? How would that work? I may consider the options. Regardless, it’s very cool and practical.

Thanks, Rich.

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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:47 pm
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Fender Strat Brat wrote:
Great post with useful information as usual, Rich. I have to ask how you got that chart. I get the sensors, and is it an iPhone, iPad, Android, Mac or PC app? Is it the option to replace the battery/input box with the one that has a sensor on the Taylor? How about the Strat? How would that work? I may consider the options. Regardless, it’s very cool and practical.

Thanks, Rich.

"Sensorpush"
It's a small temp/humidity sensor that you drop into the case, 40mm x 40mm x 16.5mm. I stuck mine to the bulkhead under the neck on the body side. The sensor is rubber or silicone coated so it won't mar. It can be pried open and the battery replaced (CR2477... THICK sucker)
https://smile.amazon.com/SensorPush-Wir ... sensorpush

The sensor itself connects to the phone via Bluetooth, but I added a WiFi gateway (another $100) so I can check status when I'm away... if it starts getting too warm, I can log into the Nest and drop the AC a few degrees.
With the gateway, I can set the app to trigger alerts if the parameters go outside set limits.

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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:50 am
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one of them green dampit rubber tubes is probably what you want.

they make several different sizes.


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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:10 pm
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KidBlast wrote:
one of them green dampit rubber tubes is probably what you want.

they make several different sizes.
And properly wrung out, they won't hurt the wood.
They should not be dripping wet... or even feel damp.
The things are long and rest on the wood even on a Jumbo.

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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:22 pm
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Thanks, Rich, for the details and the link on the Sensorpush. Looks to be a great system. The Wi-Fi connection makes total sense.

I’m soon to install a whole house system right now to replace the one I took out a long time ago, and it has advantages and disadvantages. I’m looking into possible sensors in the family/music room with my wall mounted axe(s). Obviously, there still is a need for the cases, so I’ll reserve that decision and add this to my options, Rich. I like it, so thanks again.

I know the info will also come in handy for others. :wink:
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I’ll also check if iPhone X is compatible, it may not be as I’m finding in some areas. It should work out eventually though, I would think. :roll:

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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:05 pm
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When adding the sensor via BT, it is touchy... it took me quite a few tries before it worked. IIRC, I think I ended up popping it open and doing a hard reset.

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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:37 pm
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When adding the sensor via BT, it is touchy... it took me quite a few tries before it worked. IIRC, I think I ended up popping it open and doing a hard reset.
Good to know. Thanks!

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