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Post subject: Super cheap instruments that they claim are Fender
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:29 am
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I just saw this web site and was not happy they are claiming these instruments are Fender products which are under $100.

http://yutaine.com

Its one thing to make Chinese knock offs but another to say their Fender products.


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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:56 am
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I don't even thing it's about knockoffs. Looks like a scam site to me.


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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:37 am
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Sérgio wrote:
I don't even thing it's about knockoffs. Looks like a scam site to me.

It IS a scam site. That "Music Shop" is found under a few different domain names, and was discovered to be a scam 9 days into creating their sites. DO NOT fall for it. None of their sites offer paying through PayPal, because they want idiots to give them their personal information and credit card numbers.

My neighbor came across one of their sites and asked me about it. I told him NO WAY can you get a $1,400.00 Gibson Explorer for $167.00...wouldn't even pay for the wood. So I did some investigating, and it came up SCAM.


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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:19 pm
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This is terrible for the ill informed. Do a check on the contact page, and you won’t find much of any worth.

So many clues that this is full of it. Copies are one thing; but, does anyone really think Noiseless 4th generation pups from Fender or Taylor’s ES proprietary electronics are authentic? (Not that the same can’t be said for the other stuff, but that’s pretty specific). For the price, even if they could be cloned, would it fit the offerings made here? That’s pretty obvious. No! How about that beautiful choice of wood? Okay, maybe the pine will pass. Nice that they can throw in a stool for free too. :lol:
Too bad we can’t get these clowns. Maybe we could string them up and play a tune. :twisted:
Good post, Revelation Sound.

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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:49 pm
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And unfortunately, adding to the "credibility" of the listings is most models are 2017 and older, which may lead a gullible buyer to believe that they are "overstock" or "liquidation" inventory from a store that has gone out of business.
Sadly, this one is an obvious scam only because of the sub-$100 prices. If those listings were kicked up to the $400+ range, it would be harder to spot as a scam.

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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:08 pm
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I think you are right with that pricing difference, Rich. At least for the uninformed; but, I know even the informed can get caught some times. These guys are getting better at it.

The real copies do themselves a favour by not trying to pass off legitimate names and graphic art.

I wonder how many knockoffs are sold in retail stores, and passed off as the real thing? I’m guessing not a lot for a good many reasons. Still, they must exist.

I know a good many servicemen who, while in Asia or elsewhere, bought name brand stereo equipment in the 60s that, although authentic, was quite different than that which came from Japan. That would have been okay, only it wasn’t revealed at the time of sale. Incidentally, a lot of open reel tape decks were bought and favoured on trips through Panama. In Europe I could have sold my jeans right off my arse many times for a bundle, and that explained the fake goods. I can only imagine what it would have been like had the Net been around back then.

As for the American guitar manufacturers there is something to be said about why they are copied and not the instruments where billions of people reside. Simply. They are amongst the best.

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Post subject: Re: Super cheap instruments that they claim are Fender
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:40 pm
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I wonder how many knockoffs are sold in retail stores, and passed off as the real thing? I’m guessing not a lot for a good many reasons. Still, they must exist.

That is a problem, and in coming years will be a growing problem.
The "Chibson" and "Chender" guitars are not always easy to spot, and I'm sure there are many on the "used" racks at music stores.
Customs often confiscates them, but the manufacturers are getting smart. One recent YouTube video shows an "unboxing" for what is actually a very nice Chibson Les Paul. It is probably every bit as nice as an Epiphone. The person doing the review noticed that the black paint on the "blank" headstock looked a little dull, and he found that it was either clear packing tape that had been painted black, or it was painted with a tempra/poster paint... he cleaned up the headstock and it was a full-blown Gibson LP Custom counterfeit.
The "case candy" included a spare truss rod cover that said "Custom" to replace the blank one that was on the neck.

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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:13 am
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Fender Strat Brat wrote:
I wonder how many knockoffs are sold in retail stores, and passed off as the real thing? I’m guessing not a lot for a good many reasons. Still, they must exist.

That is a problem, and in coming years will be a growing problem.
The "Chibson" and "Chender" guitars are not always easy to spot, and I'm sure there are many on the "used" racks at music stores.
Customs often confiscates them, but the manufacturers are getting smart. One recent YouTube video shows an "unboxing" for what is actually a very nice Chibson Les Paul. It is probably every bit as nice as an Epiphone. The person doing the review noticed that the black paint on the "blank" headstock looked a little dull, and he found that it was either clear packing tape that had been painted black, or it was painted with a tempra/poster paint... he cleaned up the headstock and it was a full-blown Gibson LP Custom counterfeit.
The "case candy" included a spare truss rod cover that said "Custom" to replace the blank one that was on the neck.
That was pretty interesting. I’ve seen a video with the Chibson Les Paul, but I don’t recall seeing that story. Next thing ya know we’ll be seeing hand signed Chabigail Cybarra pickups wound by Chosifina.

Thanks, for your post, Rich.

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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:24 pm
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Well, if you want to get them a few more customers, one way to do that is post a link to their website right here on the Fender forum. So well done, if that’s what you intended to do. :D


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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:57 pm
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Well, if you want to get them a few more customers, one way to do that is post a link to their website right here on the Fender forum. So well done, if that’s what you intended to do. :D
Really? While we’re at it why not throw all the phones in the garbage so the telemarketers have no customers? Sheesh! :roll:
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:08 am
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CB91710 wrote:
Fender Strat Brat wrote:
I wonder how many knockoffs are sold in retail stores, and passed off as the real thing? I’m guessing not a lot for a good many reasons. Still, they must exist.

That is a problem, and in coming years will be a growing problem.
The "Chibson" and "Chender" guitars are not always easy to spot, and I'm sure there are many on the "used" racks at music stores.
Customs often confiscates them, but the manufacturers are getting smart. One recent YouTube video shows an "unboxing" for what is actually a very nice Chibson Les Paul. It is probably every bit as nice as an Epiphone. The person doing the review noticed that the black paint on the "blank" headstock looked a little dull, and he found that it was either clear packing tape that had been painted black, or it was painted with a tempra/poster paint... he cleaned up the headstock and it was a full-blown Gibson LP Custom counterfeit.
The "case candy" included a spare truss rod cover that said "Custom" to replace the blank one that was on the neck.



Actually - and sadly - some of the Chibsons are actually a tad better than some Epis. It's disgusting to see how they are faking everything to a very high level of perfection.

Many guys are fooled and what's even worse: some others actually buy these guitars on purpose and even brag about them being good.


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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:03 am
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Imagine if someone were to get one of these fakes, and then contacting the expected manufacturer only to be the bearer of bad news, I doubt that it would or could happen; but, stranger things have occurred.

Anybody know if one’s personal axe shows up at a reputable dealer if the fake could be confiscated by law? I would think they would want these out of circulation. That certainly would make one think twice, but other ill informed individuals would be in for a surprise.

On the other hand if you buy one, find it to be crap or simply not to your liking, AFAIK you don’t have the advantage of reselling it legally, and you might be out of $$.

I agree Sergio that quality varies and the practice is disgusting. I don’t know if anyone has shared in my experience; but, if there’s any comparison in fit and durability, my experience with Chinese wooden furniture, especially chairs, has been less than satisfactory. That beautiful finish and, perhaps acceptable hardware, may not do you any good if the wood and glue is subpar. It may not even be the wood you expect. You might want to leave that Chinese fake in your case. Better still, in theirs.

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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:00 am
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ghost_of_strings wrote:
Well, if you want to get them a few more customers, one way to do that is post a link to their website right here on the Fender forum. So well done, if that’s what you intended to do. :D
Really? While we’re at it why not throw all the phones in the garbage so the telemarketers have no customers? Sheesh! :roll:
FSB

FSB, there was a frequent problem over at the Gibsiphone forum. You'd get a post just like the one above, except in broken English and that was the user's one and only post on the forum. In that case, it was obviously someone affiliated with the bogus website getting some free advertising.

The reason you pretty much never see that here is because Brad is on top of the bogus accounts. There were some complaints about the waiting period before you can post - and this is the reason for that waiting period. It cuts down on SPAM posts massively.

The post above does not appear to be one of those SPAM posts, so I did not call it out as such. But I'm pretty certain that if you reached out to Brad, he would most likely prefer that we don't post links to websites selling counterfeit Fender gear. I mean, that seems pretty basic but who knows right? :roll:


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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:46 am
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ghost_of_strings wrote:
Fender Strat Brat wrote:
ghost_of_strings wrote:
Well, if you want to get them a few more customers, one way to do that is post a link to their website right here on the Fender forum. So well done, if that’s what you intended to do. :D
Really? While we’re at it why not throw all the phones in the garbage so the telemarketers have no customers? Sheesh! :roll:
FSB

FSB, there was a frequent problem over at the Gibsiphone forum. You'd get a post just like the one above, except in broken English and that was the user's one and only post on the forum. In that case, it was obviously someone affiliated with the bogus website getting some free advertising.

The reason you pretty much never see that here is because Brad is on top of the bogus accounts. There were some complaints about the waiting period before you can post - and this is the reason for that waiting period. It cuts down on SPAM posts massively.

The post above does not appear to be one of those SPAM posts, so I did not call it out as such. But I'm pretty certain that if you reached out to Brad, he would most likely prefer that we don't post links to websites selling counterfeit Fender gear. I mean, that seems pretty basic but who knows right? :roll:
Fair enough. I think the gang here for the most part, including our good friend Brad, are pretty good for providing a service to alert and inform the unwary, and as with most spam or malware, bringing it to one’s attention is pretty common.

Some time ago by the Brooklyn Naval Yard, it was reported that a large billboard depicting New York in grey scale displayed the less recommended to the safest areas to tour for new visitors from the military base. It was apparently donated by the NY Times and other sponsors as a service. I, and I’m sure others, thought that was a thoughtful application to bring awareness and to promote rather than criticize New York; but with this topic, you certainly do have a valid point Ghost. Gotcha. :wink:
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:39 pm
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Fender Strat Brat wrote:
Anybody know if one’s personal axe shows up at a reputable dealer if the fake could be confiscated by law? I would think they would want these out of circulation. That certainly would make one think twice, but other ill informed individuals would be in for a surprise.

Customs will confiscate them when they are imported if they feel that they are counterfeit. Used to be, they skated through all the time, but the last few years they are hit and miss. Some of the "better" sellers will ship you another one if Customs snags yours (tells you how much they are really worth!!).
Once it is in your hands, it is yours and can't be taken, unless possibly if you attempt to re-sell it as a genuine product. Taking it in for service would not be a problem.

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