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Post subject: Fender Tuners
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:05 am
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I, would like help/info re the adjustment of screws on the end of a set of used tuner knobs. As received, the tuners varied in adjustment force to turn, from very hard (like seized) to turn, to very loose (like wouldn't hold the string in tune). I have backed off all the screws and done them up till they just engaged the knobs and they appear to be holding OK.
My question is , is there a recommended procedure to correctly adjust they screw in the end of the tuner knob ?
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Post subject: Re: Fender Tuners
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:35 am
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I never read about that, I turn screw until it start to be little tight, no too much


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Post subject: Re: Fender Tuners
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:05 am
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Snug, but not so tight the knobs are hard to turn.

Kind of vague, but there's a broad range of acceptable tightness. Some people like the knobs to turn with the lightest touch, some like them a little firmer.

As long as they're not sloppy loose, they'll hold tune. So no real advantage to going tighter than you've got them now, unless you'd just prefer a little more resistance.

Super-tight increases wear on the gears, and can even split the nylon washers between the knobs and shafts.(But if the over-tight ones work properly now that you've loosened them, they survived the misadjustment and are fine.)
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I'm curious if that's a brand-new guitar or a used guitar. Vibration during shipping could loosen properly adjusted screws, but not tighten them.

I hope it didn't leave the factory with some of them so tight they were virtually siezed.

If it's a used guitar, the previous owner was just a clueless klutz. Some people should not be allowed to touch a screwdriver.

(If it's a Strat, you probably should check the bridge screws to verify they're adjusted properly.)


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Post subject: Re: Fender Tuners
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:12 pm
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I agree with others here. A little more specific information about your guitar or tuners in question could, but not necessarily, be of use.

Below the video shows pretty much what was offered earlier in that, generally speaking, there is nothing special in tightening the screws with the buttons. At least that holds true for the 12 string, three 6 string acoustics, and one 6 string electric I’ve had. Screwless plastic buttons are a different install, however.

Note how he mentions the washers.


Washers may or may not be behind the button(s) for the tuner as a standard installation. I have seen some cracked over time though. More so on vintage tuners of various quality, but this is seldom a problem as far as I know. They are there for a reason and they might oppose their intended application. Perhaps, they are simply used for a spacer or for enhancement and, although doubtful that washer is a reason for your concern, it is just one more piece of the puzzle.

I could not find a video; however, I give you the following FYI.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/audioreckon ... shers/amp/

Good luck on your setup, Ross.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Tuners
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:17 am
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Thanks to all for the replies. The tuners were bought used as a set for a tele partscaster. I am not sure of the guitar from whence they came. They have a tab that accepts the screw to the back of the head and have the "F" on them. Reading thru the replies they are fitted with nylon washers and on close inspection the tuner which was difficult has indeed got a split washer. I will attempt to repair the washer but failing that I will try to source another (or a set) of washers. Again thanks for your input , Ross


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Post subject: Re: Fender Tuners
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:18 am
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You are welcome, Ross (sorry about the incorrect autocorrection of your name. I didn’t catch it on the phone, but it is now updated) :oops:

Thank you for the clarification of what tuners you have. That helps us to help you and others. Pictures are also helpful. There are different tuners even with the F for example.

The main thing is that you managed to locate the cracked washer, and yes, it is sometimes difficult to see. Good on ya!

Have good luck on your project, Ross, and I hope the suggestions we gave here will transfer over to a successful build. That’s how we like rhe Forum(s) to work.

Cheers!
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Post subject: Re: Fender Tuners
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:27 am
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Quick update.
I had some locking tuners (not fender) that didn't do the job , so they supplied a source for the white nylon washer. I replaced the broken washer and the difference in operation was greatly improved.
Then following up on the info submitted, I noticed that there were no black metal washers on any of the tuners. Originally fitted or not I didn't know. Anyway, I took a punt and fitted the black washers (from the faulty tuners), between the white washer and the knob. Then improvement was just fantastic, smooth operation and fine adjustment being the result. I guess there is a reason for them, I think they are a spring/bowed ) type of washer that applies the correct pressure.

The screws were just nipped up as suggested.
I learnt that it is necessary to carry out corrections to the tuners with NO STRING TENSION as this enables the tuner gears to locate correctly when the knob screw is loosened and tightened. Otherwise the pull of the string rotates the peg whilst leaving the gear stationary causing incorrect alignment of the gears which could lead to undue wear.
I am a happy chappy, Ross


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Post subject: Re: Fender Tuners
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:39 am
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Great update, Ross. Thanks for adding it here. All this detailed info will be of help should someone need it. Perfect!

Glad it worked out for you. :D
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Post subject: Re: Fender Tuners
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:47 am
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Great update, Ross. Thanks for adding it here.

All the detailed info and your experience with the NO STRING TENSION will be of help for future reference and for others with a need. Perfect!

Glad it worked out for you. :D
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Post subject: Re: Fender Tuners
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:22 pm
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OK., back to my original question on correct tightness of the screw, I have tried the following and the resulting operation of the tuners appears very smooth.
Step 1. Loosen strings so the there is no tension. A good time to adjust would be when changing strings.
Step 2. Loosen tuner knob screw a couple of turns and pull knob until there is play in the gears.
Step 3. Tighten screw until all the play in the gears is gone (keep pulling on the knob to check this).
Step 4. Back off the screw 1/8 of a turn. I figure it's better to be slightly loose than overtighten the gears.
Cracked plastic washers and missing metal washers do create difficult turning of the tuner knob.
Again, thanks everyone for the input


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