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Post subject: Brad: Certificate Problem
Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 7:15 am
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Brad, can you look into this? My browser is pretty locked down and this is stopping pages from loading:

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Post subject: Re: Brad: Certificate Problem
Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 7:18 am
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My current browsing experience with Chrome on Windows 10:

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Post subject: Re: Brad: Certificate Problem
Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 1:46 pm
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Looks like the Fender Play popup is causing the issue.

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Post subject: Re: Brad: Certificate Problem
Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 1:49 pm
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Yep. It's been about a year of the pop-up
Certificate probably expired and wasn't updated.


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Post subject: Re: Brad: Certificate Problem
Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 10:36 pm
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And I thought IE 11 was disadvantaged, although that's what I see for video's minus the white box area.

Haven't used Chrome. Don't like Edge.


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Post subject: Re: Brad: Certificate Problem
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 5:42 am
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It's not a browser problem, it's a "whoops, a multi-million dollar company forgot to renew their certificate" problem. Google Chrome is doing what it's designed to do - block unsecure content.


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Post subject: Re: Brad: Certificate Problem
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:32 am
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Chrome browser on Windows 7 now:

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Post subject: Re: Brad: Certificate Problem
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:26 pm
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This is not so much about the gobble dee goop details attached, but I’ve known for awhile that these questionable certificates are almost as much trouble as they are good when it comes to management and they are soon to be or have recently been even more of a mishmash.

There’s a slew of articles and angles on this, and without throwing stones at Fender, or saying this is the only Certificate problem, I’ll just add this to point out that the problem is about to explode elsewhere, and by the time things settle down, something will likely show up as a replacement, and then we’ll be on the Circus ride again.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/s ... tificates/

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The previous is not to imply that it is a relative answer only that it relates to certificates being Phht! :P

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Post subject: Re: Brad: Certificate Problem
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:11 am
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Certificates are necessary to ensure the authenticity of the site you are trying to connect to. Notice your bank website (assuming you use one) NEVER has a certificate problem. That's because they really know what they are doing when it comes to security.


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Post subject: Re: Brad: Certificate Problem
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:39 pm
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ghost_of_strings wrote:
Certificates are necessary to ensure the authenticity of the site you are trying to connect to. Notice your bank website (assuming you use one) NEVER has a certificate problem. That's because they really know what they are doing when it comes to security.
Sure the concept of certificates is great - just like using stop signs, but, if that stop sign or certificate aren’t used correctly by both parties, they aren’t doing their job. When they work - Terrific!

As for online banking I’ve refused it (although, I’ve heard every excuse and promotion to use it). Convenient? Yes! Secure? Well, you’d think the government and military would be too. They are hackable, have been, and will be. Does WikiLeaks ring a bell? I seem to recall that Apple couldn’t get viruses too. :roll:
Years ago. I was prompted by a bank manager (along with others over time) to join the flock with banking online. In those days he bragged about 128 bit encryption until I told him I had double that at 256 bits, and I wasn’t running a bank. :lol:
I fully understand how encryption works and that it has improved, and having nailed a hacker with an associate in Virginia and another in England we managed to nail a hacker’s name and location by triangulating information after we three were inadvertently redirected to an FBI website that we needed to stay away from, and had no use for. Note: I wouldn’t advise following in our footsteps though. It comes with all sort of risks you may not be prepared for.

I’m not so sure that business done with those on the financial world (and others with authority or influence) will always be
transparent to use the buzz word of today. Even if they are, you can bet the timing and spin doctors will be involved. I could add more for proof of financial security risks, but this is one example that is current as of this week.

Oh, yeah. One of these banks were a refusal of mine for online, but I have constant dealings with them in person. One of the banks had an Enron connection. Both are two of the nation’s top banks, and Canada’s banks have a reputation of being some of the most stable and secure anywhere. Still . . .

https://www.cryptochronicle.com/banks-i ... rp-ransom/

I’ll leave you with this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ha ... ys-n306776

Many are comfortable with online banking, others have little choice for a variety of reasons. That’s cool if that’s what you want or need. It is what it is. Secure? I’ll put money on that.

Coming to a bank or ATM near you. YMMV

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Post subject: Re: Brad: Certificate Problem
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:13 am
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Fender Strat Brat wrote:
Sure the concept of certificates is great - just like using stop signs, but, if that stop sign or certificate aren’t used correctly by both parties, they aren’t doing their job. When they work - Terrific!

I'm sorry, but you don't seem to grasp the reason for security certificates. Without them, it would be infinitely more easy for someone to host a bogus website and direct users to that site instead of the one they intended to visit. I see that as a bad thing. But hey, if you like playing Russian roulette with websites, by all means just turn off any browser warnings about certificate errors. Problem solved.

Believe me, I'm not trying to turn anyone on to online banking. To each their own.

The point is, we all visit a lot of websites. Here's a short list of the one's I frequent:

cnn.com
yahoo.com
youtube.com
various other Google sites
twitter.com
amazon.com
chase.com
craigslist.org


You know how many times I've gotten certificate errors from the sites listed above? Zero. Now why do you suppose all these sites work "terrific" for years and years on end, but the Fender forum is throwing certificate errors?


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Post subject: Re: Brad: Certificate Problem
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:11 am
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Don't know how you get to the forum, direct hotlink or main fender page, then forum link?
If it were a certificate problem imo, it would have been a problem across all platform browsers w/ higher security settings.
Have you tried to update your certificate lists?
Sounds like you may have to make an exception, if it is a recurring issue and updating certificates doesn't fix the issue to your liking.
fwiw, I have had the deceptive site red page once. It hasn't happen again.
GL, puter problems sux.


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Post subject: Re: Brad: Certificate Problem
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:24 am
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sfceric64 wrote:
If it were a certificate problem imo, it would have been a problem across all platform browsers w/ higher security settings.


I am indeed seeing this on multiple computers using multiple operating systems. I really only use Chrome browser, so not sure about other browsers.

I'm not going to disable security to visit this site. I'd rather just stop visiting the site. But don't worry Fender, big red screens that say "Deceptive Site Ahead" are good for sales. No need to take this seriously. :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Brad: Certificate Problem
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:23 am
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This is the best explanation of the issue I've read:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/07/beware_the_coming_chrome_certificate_apocalypse/
A good list for the site certs affected and those upcoming in the later part of the year. Along w/ Firefox also following Google's lead.


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Post subject: Re: Brad: Certificate Problem
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:33 am
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Yes, thank you Sfceric. Look, they even wrote a little note to the Fender webmaster:

"By the way, if it's the morning of Tuesday, April 17, and you are frantically skimming this article in between furious email alerts about your site being down, and phone keeps ringing, focus here: IT'S YOUR HTTPS CERTIFICATE! YOU NEED TO CHANGE IT. RIGHT NOW. ®"


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