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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 6:23 pm
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Perhaps "searching for notes" is analagous to a writer or poet searching for the right word. Their may be many synonyms of a word that convey an idea acceptably, but the notion of a more perfect word or note, or musical phrase, for the expression is perhaps what Blackmore is to convey. The art of expression. Running the scales is musical and perhaps technically perfect but fails to convey emotion and thus expression-less. Sometimes a wrong note is the right note.

I know people who are natural storytellers. They can recount their Wednesday nite trip to the market and hold you in rapt attention. The rest of us just relate a matter of fact event.

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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 6:51 pm
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:lol:

Meanwhile, Joe Satriani be like...



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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 7:06 pm
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Great posts gang. Joe’s response was a good addition, and that was an excellent follow up with those quotes, Rich. :D
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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 12:11 pm
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On criticism.

We all know the sting of criticism. There were instances when I was criticized, sometimes savagely. The natural reaction is to reject and retaliate. After having lived 60 years now, for the most part I look back and wish I had looked at such criticism as an "arrow of truth" and heeded the wisdom in it.

Often our critics are really are best source.

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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 4:48 pm
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Interesting observation, OL. I know what you mean. I remember a tough boss who criticized me badly. Having a given time frame with OJT I ramped up to prove him wrong. I thank him for that, because I excelled farther than I had planned for or expected, and in business it is wise to learn from your competition. The key is being able to read between the lines, and to know opportunity when it knocks. Sometimes recognizing a good thing can be difficult, especially without experience. Time will often change that.

I also believe the young can teach the old. I also believe the old can teach the young; although, there’s nothing I could teach Richie Sambora or Joe Satriani. :lol:
I guess Joe (61) and Richie (73) still have possibilities yet to be discovered between them. 8)
Even so, take a piece of music, play it with skill, and add your heart felt interpretation. In the same way a symphony presents the Masters by taking ownership, the best masterpiece will reveal itself and rise to the top of the rest. Ah, but it is the listener that chooses the winner in this challenge where different listeners have different tastes or musical reactions. Strangely, the better technical musician may be absent.

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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 6:55 am
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FSB,

Criticism hurts, and when its loaded with vitriol, that is when its difficult to see as laced with wisdom.

In this case I think Blackmore was very careful to be respectful of Joe and if Joe looks up to him it might be wise to listen and take it to heart in a good way. I looked around a bit and found other professionals that felt the same way about Joe's music. One said "I went to his concert and after a few minutes I was bored, he just shreds the scales, I kept thinking play a riff or something"

Ritchie gets a bad rap often. If you listen to his interviews he is really a humble guy. When asked if he would ever do a instructional video or book he said "never" because "like the rest of us he is still struggling along with guitar"

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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 7:46 am
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What do you do when you get conflicting feedback? Like one guy is saying you should play fast and clean and the next guy says that has no soul? You can't make everyone happy.


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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 6:01 pm
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ghost_of_strings wrote:
What do you do when you get conflicting feedback? Like one guy is saying you should play fast and clean and the next guy says that has no soul? You can't make everyone happy.
Perhaps, that's a good thing ghost_of _strings or we'd all be playing and listening to the same boring thing whichever method you choose.

As a former Director I've seen my share of great unsung talent in the background. I've known backup singers that can sing circles around the main entertainer. It happens all the time. Even the great Jimi Hendrix played in the background before he became the Great Jimi Hendrix. First off, I'll say if you can share the talent (skill) and the performance bonus!

There are variations of this 90% performance and 10% talent. Others in the industry advise 10% talent / 90% business and so on. I'm more, questionably, of the camp that strikes a comfortable level at 60% performance and 40% talent/skill more or less. How about the audience that gets taken with the tricks of the trade like playing behind your back, twirling your sticks, slinging your axe over and under, makeup and costumes, pyro, projection, and lighting, smashing instruments, audience participation, doing the duck walk or standing on a double bass or piano, inflatable dolls and spiders, and a whole lot more (like Randy Bachman, uber guitar collector beating his strings with a drum stick on stage).

Ah, but are they all skilled musicians? Well, some are and some aren't; but, although possible, that's not how success is always gauged. Great musicians like Segovia and Lenny Breau were as likely to show for a small venue as a large one. In fact artists of their kind suit that kind of atmosphere where technique is the show. They were not great showmen per se, but their skills were, without question, at the top or near the top of their league. The studio next door may have fast, technical, and soulful session guitarists on call. They aren't necessarily live performers (but they could be). Meanwhile, down the street a larger crowd may gather to see a show, and, maybe, the act is lacking talent or giving that same old same old new or old music. We don't even have to question if the music is good or bad. If it's good things will be great (maybe). If it's bad (some will hate it)(maybe the band should have stayed at home), and (some will accept it depending on the next thing). If the show is good (things will usually be okay). If the show is great (most any decent music will get a pass). If the show is bad (no music, shredding or soul, will save it ) and (bad music will kill it).

Okay, so what do we have? If fast and clean is the show - cool you're good to go. If not, it would be best to include yourself in the show with emotion over technique. That's where soul and performance become the whole package. Shredding can be very cool, especially for shredding junkies. Play to your audience, but feel them out and it might be prudent to have a backup plan. The real pros often do that very thing. They work the audience and some can be won over, others can not, and still others can be accommodated with plan B. I think I would consider seeing a technical performance and I have many times, and I go for the music regardless. Still the show must go on in my books, and I assume the music will meet my expectations, and that is what separates it for my choice of concert tickets.

I'm no authority and I'm biased so don't take my word for it. I directed music shows with musicians, and not the other way around. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 6:43 pm
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What is Blackmore doing these days? Satriani is still putting out excellent music, while Deep Purple (with Steve Morse) really sucks IMO. I liked Steve Morse, his own stuff way back when, but with Deep Purple, not so much. The same with Van Hagar, and then whoever sings now, Eddie was much better with David Lee Roth.

For me it is about music that moves me, and everything Satriani has put out really moves me. In addition to killer music, Satriani also has the most killer licks.

To each his own, but I am a huge Satriani fan. Besides, IMO it is way uncool of Blackmore to criticize an excellent guitar player. What would Blackmore have to say about Alan Holdsworth? Holdsworth never did anything for me.

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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 10:18 pm
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I've seen Satch a couple of times.
Once was enough to know the second time was a mistake ... but I didn't learn from my mistake and wasted money as a result.
I have also seen Morse play once.
Blackmore, I would pay to see every night.
Morse has his moments but he's no Blackmore.

Make no mistake, I would love to have the chops of any one of those men but if given a preference I would choose Blackmore every single time and there wouldn't be a single nanosecond of hesitation or doubt.
It wouldn't even be close.


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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 11:23 pm
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...Blackmore, I would pay to see every night...


See him do what? Eat prunes? :lol:

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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 7:15 am
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Ritchie Blackmore is one of my child hood heroes. And, about Satch,, he's right. Joe is a fantastic technician, but there's not much he's done that I haven't had enough of after the second song of one of his albums. That is just me, my ears, my likings.

If anyone who wants to hear what Blackmore is talking about, really listen good to Machine Head. For another example, find the isolated guitar tracks for Hiway Star, and listen to what this man did, in 1971 with bare bones equipment in a rented out hotel space. it's worth the effort.

You can not like what he's selling, but you can't say he wasn't and still is one of the masters of rock when it comes to guitar playing.

also about a robot with a guitar, not only is that exactly what I hear with Joe,, what I found quite interesting that in his response, the dialogue is spoken by... guess what,, essentially a robot....... (computer generated voice over)
just a coincidence?...

check it out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYEjQ2vtt0U


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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 7:57 am
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Is classical music "robotic"? A lot of classical players don't even know the theory behind what they're playing. They just play the dots as they were written. It's all about technical proficiency. What does Ritchie think about that?

In 1979, Blackmore said: "I like popular music. I like ABBA very much. But there's so much stigma like, 'you can't do this because you're a heavy band', and I think that's rubbish. You should do what you want ... I think classical music is very good for the soul. A lot of people go 'ah well, classical music is for old fogies' but I was exactly the same. At 16 I didn't want to know about classical music: I'd had it rammed down my throat. But now I feel an obligation to tell the kids 'look, just give classical music a chance' ... the guitar frustrates me a lot because I'm not good enough to play it sometimes so I get mad and throw a moody. Sometimes I feel that what I'm doing is not right, in the sense that the whole rock and roll business has become a farce, like Billy Smart, Jr. Circus, and the only music that ever moves me is very disciplined classical music, which I can't play. But there's a reason I've made money. It's because I believe in what I'm doing, in that I do it my way—I play for myself first, then secondly the audience—I try to put as much as I can in it for them. Lastly I play for musicians and the band, and for critics not at all."

Hm. Seems to contradict his opinion of Satriani. Perhaps there is a little professional jealousy at work here.


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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 10:40 am
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Hm. Seems to contradict his opinion of Satriani. Perhaps there is a little professional jealousy at work here.

nope this is just Ritchie being Ritchie... :)


as to what he's doing today..

he went back in time, about 400 years. he's doing 16 century infused rock with his wife.

Some what a lot like the first Rainbow album when he hijacked Elf to get Dio.

It's called "Blackmore's Night" Not my cup of tea, but some of the solo acoustic things he's done with this venture is real good

here's one,, not a solo piece, but one of the tunes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTdSm4Rn1XA


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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
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OK, well after seeing that video I will have to qualify my earlier statement.
I'd pay every night to see him .... back with Purple or at least doing Purple type stuff.
I knew he was doing medieval folk stuff but I had not heard any of it.
That did not float my boat.

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