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Post subject: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 7:56 am
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OK, If you love a good argument and guitar feud then there is a new one out there.

In a recent interview Ritchie Blackmore made some comments about Joe Satriani's playing/style. While admitting that Joe is a tremendous technical player he lacks something, and Ritchie goes on to explain what he means. This has evoked a little blow back. Which knowing Ritchie he cares nothing about.

I understand exactly what Ritchie is getting at and agree. Joe should take it as an arrow to his soul. Its probably the most valuable constructive criticism that he could receive. I am amazed how he works the fret board but am never moved by the sound of what he is playing.


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Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 8:03 am
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I agree with every word he said.

These modern players, especially the ones who shreddeddishredandshredabitmore are... uhm... b o r i n g.


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Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 8:15 am
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Just an addendum... I hate players whose technique is way too methodic and perfect. I love to see guys like Warren Haynes go 4 or 5 consecutive pick downstrokes in a phrase, because they feel that way.


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Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 12:07 pm
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I guess I'm in the minority here. Can't think of a single lead riff Ritchie Blackmore played that was anything special or intersting. To me, he's like "store brand" Tony Iommi. :lol:

I'm not a Satch fanboy, but I'd rather listen to him than Blackmore any day.


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Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:24 pm
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The list of guitar players I like is very long, but Ritchie Blackmore and Joe Satriani ain't on it. YMMV, but that's what I like about living in the USA, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 3:58 pm
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That was the most erudite and diplomatic way I have ever heard someone called a 'soulless robot'. :lol: I agree wholeheartedly.

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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 4:01 pm
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spacewolf wrote:
That was the most erudite and diplomatic way I have ever heard someone called a 'soulless robot'. :lol: I agree wholeheartedly.

Deep Purple forever. \m/


+1 !

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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 4:25 pm
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spacewolf wrote:
That was the most erudite and diplomatic way I have ever heard someone called a 'soulless robot'. :lol: I agree wholeheartedly.

+1
I enjoy Satriani, Yngwie, Van Halen, and many other "technical" players.
But music is about more than perfectly playing something written 100+ years ago, or writing and playing something in the same style with technical perfection.

Guitar, particularly electric guitar, is a personal instrument. It is not a small part of the puzzle that makes up a 100 piece orchestra. Whether in a small band or a big band, the finesse and personality of the guitarist SHOULD project through the sound.
In a large orchestra, technical perfection is paramount... you can't have 100 musicians all "making it their own"
But in a band, from a solo coffee shop performer to the frontman for a Big Band like Brian Setzer, the emotion, attitude, and interpretation of the guitarist can make or break a performance.

And maybe Van Halen doesn't belong on the list, because he really is not a perfect technical performer, but he does suffer from "TumeniNotes Syndrome"
David Gilmour projects more feeling and emotion into the listener with one note from Comfortably Numb than EVH, YJM, or JS project from an entire show.

That doesn't make them bad guitarists or bad musicians... but it keeps them off of my "top 10 greatest"
Jimmy Page is sloppier than a theater floor after a matinee, but he makes the list, along with Blackmore, the Kings, SRV, Gilmour, Jimi, etc....

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Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 8:27 pm
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The internet here is total crap.
I'll have to view it when I'm back home.
Thanks for the heads up though.
Can't wait.

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Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 6:34 am
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Like I said in another Fender forum:



If I had to name a reason why guitar-related music is dying, I'd say: there are very few players left who can actually put real feeling to the songs and be heroes on stage.

Honestly, when was the last time you saw a concert with the glory, grace and heart of an 80's Queen show? What do we have today? Mostly robots (I'm not calling Satch a robot, but his style does make me yawn).

We wouldn't be, on May, 2018, talking about Jimi, Keith, Mick Taylor, Page, SRV and so many other "hack blues players who "play from the heart", "searching for notes", if that wasn't the heart of music, now would we? By the way, nowadays there are many guys who do play the blues with a lot of soul out there...

There is a HUGE conceptual difference between being a virtuoso and being a genius, an artist. You don't have to be a virtuoso to be a hell of an artist and compose something people will love. Theory and technique are the map, not the mountain.

It's no use to master an instrument, to be able to play fast, precise and sparkly solos that make people yawn. And like it or not, many people do yawn to these perfect robots, just as many music scholars have compared the opening riff in Smoke on the Water to Beethoven's 5th Symphony's first movement intro, regarding many aspects.

Fact is, you pick 100 rock-listening kids out of different high schools and ask them who's greater, Blackmore or Satriani...

But music is about creating and making sounds that please people, and some players do it with a *small* bunch of powerchords and downstrokes, I mean Johnny Ramone... And look what the public and the press said about him for about 30 years.

I don't mean to say that playing well and being a virtuoso doesn't mean anything, but like it or not, it ain't the main goal in music. Music is all about making the audience like you.


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Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 7:05 am
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Jimmy Page is sloppier than a theater floor after a matinee, but he makes the list, along with Blackmore, the Kings, SRV, Gilmour, Jimi, etc....


Whoops, hold up. Ritchie said he prefers the players who:
-"search" for notes
-Sometimes play "wrong" notes
-Not "polished" players


Can you really add SRV to that list? I can't think of a single wrong note. I remember an interview with Clapton where he said he NEVER heard Stevie "searching" for the right note and that's something he admired about him. SRV was a proficient polished player. Soulless robot, right?


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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 11:18 am
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Sérgio wrote:
Like I said in another Fender forum:



If I had to name a reason why guitar-related music is dying, I'd say: there are very few players left who can actually put real feeling to the songs and be heroes on stage.

Honestly, when was the last time you saw a concert with the glory, grace and heart of an 80's Queen show? What do we have today? Mostly robots (I'm not calling Satch a robot, but his style does make me yawn).

We wouldn't be, on May, 2018, talking about Jimi, Keith, Mick Taylor, Page, SRV and so many other "hack blues players who "play from the heart", "searching for notes", if that wasn't the heart of music, now would we? By the way, nowadays there are many guys who do play the blues with a lot of soul out there...

There is a HUGE conceptual difference between being a virtuoso and being a genius, an artist. You don't have to be a virtuoso to be a hell of an artist and compose something people will love. Theory and technique are the map, not the mountain.

It's no use to master an instrument, to be able to play fast, precise and sparkly solos that make people yawn. And like it or not, many people do yawn to these perfect robots, just as many music scholars have compared the opening riff in Smoke on the Water to Beethoven's 5th Symphony's first movement intro, regarding many aspects.

Fact is, you pick 100 rock-listening kids out of different high schools and ask them who's greater, Blackmore or Satriani...

But music is about creating and making sounds that please people, and some players do it with a *small* bunch of powerchords and downstrokes, I mean Johnny Ramone... And look what the public and the press said about him for about 30 years.

I don't mean to say that playing well and being a virtuoso doesn't mean anything, but like it or not, it ain't the main goal in music. Music is all about making the audience like you.


+1000

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Truth told, Joe Satriani holds no fascination for me nor is Richie Blackmore on my tier-one list of favorite players. But both are accomplished players and both have their legions of fans. It's pointless to argue about such esoterics. Enjoy them or not -- it's as simple as that.

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Post subject: Re: ritchie blackmore's joe satriani comments
Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 11:52 am
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I found that interview interesting. Thanks, for posting it ol. +1 on Jeff Healey.

Do I agree with Ritchie? Well . . . yes and no. A consistent 180 strokes per minute on a guitar would be pretty boring just as a consistent repeat of technique without accents, volume, tone and a host of other vibe from the soul would be. IMHO.

For the same reason why many drum machines or simulated tracks sound fake or disjointed without mistakes or variation, technical players without soul seem to have a similar result in my estimation. We would likely know if Slow Hand messed up, but, he would probably incorporate the mistake to lessen the blow. With some others it might simply slip by. Performance helps, and today’s fans are just as likely to choose a pre-recorded perfected club sound as a live band with spontaneous variety, mistakes and all. Each have their following, and there are good and bad examples in both.

Ironically, flubs as a drummer would be a dangerous path to follow, assuming the audience could tell the difference. With a technical perfectionist like Buddy Rich, even the lesser educated or informed would easily tell the difference amongst mistakes, and beating as opposed to playing. Guitarists can sometimes squeak by. I know even I can squeak by while trying to perfect my guitar skills. Strange as it is I’ve been complemented on my old school style drumming in front of a mixed crowd. Thankfully, my skills weren’t factored into it. I’ve got fans there though (I guess my style didn’t matter). :lol:
Perfection (I’d like to have it) is great if it is musical; but, just like there is a difference between drummers and percussionists (although, some drummers like Peart fit the bill) this is true amongst guitar players. IMHO. What you do with three chords is maybe no more or less important than the know how, however, you’ll get more mileage putting some feeling and variety into it by making it your own. Guys like B.B. can show us how slow and easy can be just as effective as fast and hard. But, it all needs that something inside, and you won’t find that on a chart or YouTube.

Speed? Phtt! There are lots of drummers who can beat the pants off of those who pride themselves in playing much requested Wipeout, but they strike out when it comes to anything else. The opposite is also true, but less likely. Some like to just be good at Wipeout and if that’s their thing - cool. Others want more - cool too. Guitarists are also cool. 8) And you’re right. Some don’t make the grade. :wink:
I also would like to share in the moola made from the historical hit recordings that are less than perfect. Some of them are your favourites and mine. Just my two cents. YMMV.

To summarize, I think there’s room for everyone (although some are on my B side) as long as we keep it real.

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Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 12:38 pm
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ghost_of_strings wrote:
CB91710 wrote:
Jimmy Page is sloppier than a theater floor after a matinee, but he makes the list, along with Blackmore, the Kings, SRV, Gilmour, Jimi, etc....

Whoops, hold up. Ritchie said he prefers the players who:
-"search" for notes
-Sometimes play "wrong" notes
-Not "polished" players

Can you really add SRV to that list? I can't think of a single wrong note. I remember an interview with Clapton where he said he NEVER heard Stevie "searching" for the right note and that's something he admired about him. SRV was a proficient polished player. Soulless robot, right?

He is on *my* list. Absolutely not a soulless robot. Same with Gilmour.

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Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 12:44 pm
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We would likely know if Slow Hand messed up, but, he would probably incorporate the mistake to lessen the blow. With some others it might simply slip by.

Two quotes that may or may not be properly credited to EC:
"If you make a mistake, play it again. Nobody will remember the mistake, they'll remember a riff they didn't care for."
"The mistake is unimportant. The recovery is important."
A quote from my guitar teacher ~1980:
"You can chromatic your a** off as long as you resolve it properly."

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