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Post subject: Re: Are any of you guys drummers also?
Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 3:35 pm
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Those were pretty nice words about your band mates, Ray. That’s how it should be. IMHO. Good on ya.

When I co-produced and directed weekly music programs from solo acts to orchestras, from country to rock to jazz, and everything in between, I got to respect each musician for their talent, and for their determination to give their best presentation. I certainly can say that even the best make mistakes or have an off day. It’s not always ‘in the pocket’.

The only altercation I ever ran across was between a drummer and a young guitarist; but, sometimes it’s like this:



Notice the drummer just leaves. I think that’s because the drums are a great way to release your frustrations. I highly recommend it (or you can go to the Chillin’ thread here in the Forum). :P
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Post subject: Re: Are any of you guys drummers also?
Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 8:00 pm
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FSB,

Thanks for the information.

I really want to start out fairly simple. I live in a small home and do not have a lot of extra room. Probably just play for my own pleasure and eventually add some drum to some melodies and songs of my own I am working on.

Mostly for my own pleasure and try and develop a better sense of timing and rhythm. Have been looking at a few sets on Guitar Center website. Ludwig is a name I know has been around a long time (GC does not sell that brand) and Pearl. GC sells complete sets but I don't have any idea what to buy. Again, I will not be on stage just at home but I don't want to be crap equipment or crap sound, but don't need to break the bank either. $600 -$1000 what could I get for that?

Thanks for your serious information.
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There are many great kits out there today. Some are much better made than in yesteryear. Others not so much. Here is why:

Owners have changed, factory operations and locations have changed, the market has changed. There are more players in the field and, while that competition can be a good thing, the mid range seems to be affected most where higher quality becomes expensive, lower end can be great or absolutely terrible. The lineup in a maker’s offering can differ alot. Yamaha bought and sold back Premier after gathering what they needed and England’s Premier changing operations to the Japanese efficiency. Ludwig changed hands in the 80s and production and locations several times since. Offshore production has given us reasonably priced drum sets as they have done with guitars. Pearl has gone from making what we considered toy drum sets and early making of shells for others and beginner sets to their first Pro set in ‘66. They later proved to be popular in the 70s becoming a major player.

That said, there are some great kits out there for a decent price. More money might simply mean more adaptable with more options rather than better built or better sound . . . or it could mean the opposite.

Here’s my take:

1) First choose the sound of the bass, toms, and floor tom. The snare is über important, but that is changeable need be, and if it is good or it is a compromise go with kit. The bass, toms, and floor tom are likely to stay with you.

2) Cymbals. Hopefully, they’ll be included. Likely not. Just make sure they don’t compromise your kit. You don’t have to rob a bank, and if you get cymbals you can live with now, just make sure they look like they will last for some time. Too thin and they will dent, ripple, or worse. I recently tried some impressive sounding budget Wuhan cymbals, and while they don’t hold up against the majors they might fit the bill.

3) Hardware. This takes a beating if you take the kit on location. Consider the high hat and kick drum pedals, but don’t give up your sound for them. Most will do the job. Check how well the tom toms can be adjusted. Are they solid mounts and can they adjust to your preference? Two thoughts. Cheaper hardware may save overall, and cheaper can and will be replaced. Better hardware is better hardware, and often this is an indication of the quality build of your kit.

4) Fit and finish preference. Does it work for you and do you like it? If you don’t like the look, you’ll hate the sound. If you like the look but the sound sucks you won’t like the look for long. As far as chrome goes . . . it’s the same as any instrument. My kit is nickel plated, my snare is chrome. Different but acceptable for both. Not a biggie. My alternative Brazilian raw street drum has black hoops and they have their own vibe,

That’s pretty much it. At the risk of not adding higher kits from a variety of manufacturers here’s my go to list for budget kits. Models aren’t listed as prices are different on this side of the border and deals can be found throughout.

* Yamaha. Very popular and well made like most Yamaha gear whether it’s outboard motors. motorcycles, keyboards, guitars, and drums. Good hardware. I know a few owners, and they have high praise for their kits.

• MAPEX These are a Taiwanese sleeper that have gained a well deserved reputation. Known as a company that is innovative and plentiful with accessories and decent hardware for drums (if you own drums there is a good chance Mapex is included somewhere). Remo heads often come with the set. Mapex also sponsors my former hometown’s drum fest (Canada’s second largest). Check these drums out.

*Ludwig. The first kit I played (like Ringo’s - then I followed Keith Moon). I attended many Ludwig seminars and got to play Ludwig Tivoli Vistalites like John Bonham. So maybe Ludwig may be a good choice. I’m not so sure that Ludwig has the same clout as yesteryear, and improvements have been made with percussion over the years. But, they have that nostalgic vibe and are definitely not a bad choice. Again trust the sound.

*Pearl. Pretty much speaks for itself. Just compare the offerings according to price. A good set might set you back.

If the deal shows up Gretsch, Sonor, and DW would also make my list. YMMV.

As I said in my earlier post, although there are a slew of great drums from smaller select companies. going with the major players will, hopefully, give you some assurance that you can repair or grow with the gear need be. You can always get a boutique or other company snare later if desired.

This is unlike buying a guitar over time.

Forget the name of the kit. Close your eyes and open your ears. :D

Best in your search, OL

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Post subject: Re: Are any of you guys drummers also?
Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 4:36 pm
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I did some some drums back in 1967. I was a middle of the road drummer, a nice way to say I wasn't as good as a lot of local drummers were.

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Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 7:26 pm
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I did some some drums back in 1967. I was a middle of the road drummer, a nice way to say I wasn't as good as a lot of local drummers were.
That’s great, Glenn. Good time to be hitting those traps. I bet it helped with the bass and vice versa.

After my folkie days my taste for music came back to rock and a discovery of jazz. Buddy Rich was one of my heroes (Sandy Nelson and Keith Moon were a couple of the others). I’m glad to say I caught Buddy and his band in a theatre and needless to say I had seats up front. The first time I caught him live I was so depressed that I wanted to go home and smash my drums like Keith Moon.

Afterwards, I accepted that a lot of drummers would always be better than me. In ‘66, on my own at 18, I wanted to seriously go to a school in Chicago or LA to become better like one of my school mates that is a top LA on call studio and touring drummer and instructor, highly respected and recognized. No moola to go to an expensive school and to live on the other side of the border.:cry:
Then, after sleeping on it, I realized that there will always be worse drummers than me too. :) The way sampling and synth is going I may be one of the last of my kind. :lol: You too, Glenn. :wink: At least we can double up. :P
After some unexpected compliments during a sit in at a function and a few on air stints, I took what I could get. But, I still admire and envy someone better than me and, once in awhile, I think of how it might have been. :roll: Better guitar players than me? I hate them. Naw! Just kidding. :mrgreen: I honestly admire them too. As for style? Bring it on (as long as I don’t have to jump 5 feet with an axe). :lol:
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Post subject: Re: Are any of you guys drummers also?
Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 7:48 pm
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I did some some drums back in 1967. I was a middle of the road drummer, a nice way to say I wasn't as good as a lot of local drummers were.
That’s great, Glenn. Good time to be hitting those traps. I bet it helped with the bass and vice versa.

After my folkie days my taste for music came back to rock and a discovery of jazz. Buddy Rich was one of my heroes (Sandy Nelson and Keith Moon were a couple of the others). I’m glad to say I caught Buddy and his band in a theatre and needless to say I had seats up front. The first time I caught him live I was so depressed that I wanted to go home and smash my drums like Keith Moon.

Afterwards, I accepted that a lot of drummers would always be better than me. In ‘66, on my own at 18, I wanted to seriously go to a school in Chicago or LA to become better like one of my school mates that is a top LA on call studio and touring drummer and instructor, highly respected and recognized. No moola to go to an expensive school and to live on the other side of the border.:cry:
Then, after sleeping on it, I realized that there will always be worse drummers than me too. :) The way sampling and synth is going I may be one of the last of my kind. :lol: You too, Glenn. :wink: At least we can double up. :P
After some unexpected compliments during a sit in at a function and a few on air stints, I took what I could get. But, I still admire and envy someone better than me and, once in awhile, I think of how it might have been. :roll: Better guitar players than me? I hate them. Naw! Just kidding. :mrgreen: I honestly admire them too. As for style? Bring it on (as long as I don’t have to jump 5 feet with an axe). :lol:
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One of my best friends plays drums, or did. I was at a recording studio once, when Keith Moon walked in with a friend of his that had a few minutes to talk to one of the engineers there. We started talking just like two everyday guys, for about 45 minutes. When he had to leave, we shook hands. I asked him how do you feel Keith? And he replied, I'm feeling rather saucy", with a smile on his face he said, " nice to meet you Glenn". That was a fantastic chance meeting of a very special drummer.

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Post subject: Re: Are any of you guys drummers also?
Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 8:34 pm
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. . . Buddy Rich was one of my heroes (Sandy Nelson and Keith Moon were a couple of the others). I’m glad to say I caught Buddy and his band in a theatre and needless to say I had seats up front. The first time I caught him live I was so depressed that I wanted to go home and smash my drums like Keith Moon.

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One of my best friends plays drums, or did. I was at a recording studio once, when Keith Moon walked in with a friend of his that had a few minutes to talk to one of the engineers there. We started talking just like two everyday guys, for about 45 minutes. When he had to leave, we shook hands. I asked him how do you feel Keith? And he replied, I'm feeling rather saucy", with a smile on his face he said, " nice to meet you Glenn". That was a fantastic chance meeting of a very special drummer.
Well, another example of envy and admiration my friend. :mrgreen: That was a terrific experience, and I’m glad you had that chance to meet him. Thanks, for sharing that story.

He was a crazy man and that “saucy” statement fits his persona. What a lot of people do not know is that Keith was reported to have been one of the (If not the only) rock drummers on the payroll of a major symphony orchestra (The London Symphony if I recall correctly). I usually don’t go starry eyed over a lot of celebs between my growing up amongst them, and with my career; but, every once in a while someone tweaks my interest, and I fall like any other fan. Keith Moon would have done it. Very cool. 8)
Hey! I’ve got the drums, and now I know someone who met Keith Moon. :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: Are any of you guys drummers also?
Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 6:10 am
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Ed Cassidy the percussionist of Spirit, did some playing with the San Francisco Opera. A very in depth drummer, to say the least.
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Post subject: Re: Are any of you guys drummers also?
Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 5:32 am
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Yes, but I don't own a drum set. Somebody needs to convince my wife that I need a small 4 piece kit like Ringo played or Charlie Watts plays.

But what's really odd is how I play.... See, all my guitars, mandolin, etc... are all right handed. But yet I got taught to play drums LEFTY (i.e. Phil Collins, Ian Paice (Deep Purple)). It's just the way it is. It felt natural to me, being that I am sort of ambidextrous. It goes back to the late 70's in high school with my HS rock band back in the day. My buddy Chris played drums lefty in school band and he loved guitar. I played guitar righty but loved drums. We ended up teaching each other. I taught him righty guitar and he taught me lefty drums. During "Taking Care of Business" by BTO... I'd put down my guitar, walk over to Chris, keeping time with a simple 4/4 rock beat, and on cue I'd grab his high hat stick and play that. He'd get up off the drum throne, I'd quickly sit down, grab his other stick, and continue his simple 4/4 beat. He'd walk back over to my guitar, strap it on, roll the volume knob back up, and continue BTO's power chords "C... Bb...F..." --- and we'd finish the song like that, to the surprise of the audience! It was hilarious!!!


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Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 10:23 am
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That's cool ButchA. I'm sure the audience loved it.

I'm mostly righty but I use my left hand a lot. I play guitar righty, I played hockey lefty, I was a good switch hiiter in baseball, and when using tools working on cars or whatever I use both hands equally. I just pick the more convenient one for the job.

Now you have me curious. I have to try a lefty guitar. :)

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 4:58 pm
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Marky,

Lefty guitar is upside-down, backwards, and totally bizarre!! I remember one of my older sisters dating a guy back in the day who played lefty guitar. We jammed a few times too (I wasn't that good and was just starting out back then). Anyway, I asked about his lefty guitar and he let me try it....

Seriously... I couldn't even make a chord!! I had to physically take my left hand and reposition my right hand fingers on the strings to make a regular common "C" chord!!!


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Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 10:07 pm
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I'm sure you're right. It would probably cause a brain meltdown. :lol:

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Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:58 am
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This lefty situation is a pretty interesting subject, and my brother was ambidextrous which I often was envious of growing up. That all brought to mind of when I played with many Naval drummers from across Canada in sync and in motion. I never thought to ask if any of my mates were left handed. :shock: I’m guessing some horn playing and, perhaps, other instruments like keyboards can give a lefty challenge as well. I have enough trouble playing with my natural right hand, but I can open and close a really good high hat with my left foot. However, I have to hand it to a hero of mine that gave me inspiration throughout my life - Sandy (Sander) Nelson who also inspired John Bonham of Led Zeppelin fame. Sandy jokes of how Bonham drove his brother crazy for two and a half days straight by trying to figure out how Sandy overdubbed Teen Beat. The problem was Sandy didn’t overdub it. :lol: Sadly, in 1963, a school bus carrying teenage Bonnie Raitt and Sandy’s motorcycle collided where, after losing his right foot and partial leg, Sandy learned to cope with playing with his left rather than right. The rest is history.

I don’t know of any guitar players who have found themselves in a similar circumstance (perhaps, finger or hand loss) and conversion; but, it would not surprise me; although, speed, skill, and time would be factors to consider. Perhaps, someone here in the Forum(s) knows of a case?

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Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 3:10 pm
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Heya, OL:

If and when you get what you’re looking for in the drum department let us know how you made out.

I know this Forum is about guitars and experience per se, but we’re all musicians and that means a lot of us double up or more with keyboards, drums, and whatnot. Besides, it’s like sitting around to chew the fat in a lounge. :P
Your info. might come in handy for the others here.

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