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Post subject: Re: Gibson Guitars running out of time - Collapse this summe
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:02 pm
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chromeface wrote:
Elton John decided to retire from touring because he wanted spending much spare time with his family.

Good point ... And I wasn't trying to pin the demise of Gibson on Elton John. My point was that with the elder statemen of musicians leaving the industry, the music industry is becoming more and more "non-guitar" ... and that is what does not bode well for Gibson, Fender, Guitar Center, etc. With the music industry becoming increasingly non-guitar-oriented, there will be less and less young people being inspired to pick it up. Give credit to country music where dudes like Brad Paisley and Keith Urban are very much about the guitar, and are definitely inspiring young guitarists. But with rock guitar in decline, all of the guitar manufacturers will be fighting for a smaller pot of dollars.

And back to "farewell tours" ... Rush completed theirs too, and didn't Eric Clapton say he was no longer touring? For Judas Priest, KK Downing stepped away a few years ago and Glen Tipton stated just recently he was retired from touring due to Parkinsons disease.

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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:34 pm
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Here's a quote from Glenn Tipton that was posted on Sweetwater:

“I want everyone to know that it’s vital that the Judas Priest tour go ahead and that I am not leaving the band — it’s simply that my role has changed. I don’t rule out the chance to go on stage as and when I feel able to blast out some Priest. So at some point in the not too distant future I’m really looking forward to seeing all of our wonderful metal maniacs once again.”

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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:49 pm
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Gibson is not only a "rock" guitar maker, the brand found a niche with jazz musicians such as Herb Ellis, Jim Hall, George Benson and others.

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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:34 pm
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chromeface wrote:
Gibson is not only a "rock" guitar maker, the brand found a niche with jazz musicians such as Herb Ellis, Jim Hall, George Benson and others.

Violently agree ... There are many others you could add too such as Larry Carlton.

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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:17 am
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Larry Carlton aka Mr. 335 was an official endorsee of Valley Arts guitars and their partnership resulted into a shortlived signature model combining Fender and Gibson stylings.

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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:11 am
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Over the years I have seen the prices of American made guitars continually increase while the quality of the foreign made ones go up and up. I've often heard, "if you want a Gibson with high QC, buy an Epiphone. One of the last Fenders I bought was a Tele model made in China. Amazing quality regardless of price.


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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:03 am
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I believe Fender, Gibson, et al will survive this. Both of them were failing in the early- and mid-80's when new wave and similar music replaced guitars with keyboards, and both made spectacular comebacks. Maybe this time, it will take more effort as the reasons tend to be more than changes in musical tastes.

Rap, hip hop, and now dance music (Electro-Pop, EDM, etc.) have supplanted rock in all of its forms as today's popular music. Most of rock’s iconic guitar gods have faded away due to age and health reasons so there are fewer stars to look up to and become inspired by. Also, you need “real” instruments (and the money to buy them) to create rock. To start making music today, all a kid needs is a computer and free software and most kids today have both. I guess they want to make beats, design sounds, and someday become millionaire DJs like Skrillex, Deadmau5 or Steve Aoki.

It doesn’t help that various publications have published stories on the death of rock and, more recently, the death of the electric guitar. They’re easy to find on the web. The most infamous is Geoff Edgers’ Washington Post article from June of last year, “Why my guitar gently weeps: The slow, secret death of the six-string electric. And why you should care.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/lifestyle/the-slow-secret-death-of-the-electric-guitar/?utm_term=.bbbf1ae11a52

In mid-2017, Nielsen reported that hip hop became America’s most popular music genre. It supplanted country, not rock, which fell from the top spot earlier in the decade. Country is guitar-based, too. I don't expect to see a country video with a guy wearing a cowboy hat in the back of his muddy pickup truck playing a big, red Nord keyboard instead of a Tele. If that happens, all bets are off!


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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:32 am
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Just read this on the web :

"Gibson's longtime CEO Henry Juszkiewicz can either seek to exchange the company's debt, trade in some portion of his equity in the company as a form of payment, or proceed to bankruptcy court. In pursuit of the first option, Gibson has already contracted Jeffries investment bank to help with a potential refinancing, though this may not actually be feasible given its current set of obligations.

"This year is critical and they are running out of time—rapidly," Cassidy said. "And if this ends in bankruptcy, he will give up the entire company."

"Some type of restructuring will be necessary," Cassidy further explained. "The core business is a very stable business, and a sustainable one. But you have a balance sheet problem and an operational problem."

Cassidy's point regarding the stability of Gibson's core business is important to emphasize. While many other publications have pointed to a general lessening of interest in guitars in popular culture as the key catalyst behind the current situation, Gibson's guitar business remains profitable and important to the industry at large.

Gibson—which sees annual revenues of more than $1 billion— issued a press release late last week to address these mounting concerns and respond to these initial reports. According to Gibson, the company "has met all current obligations to the bondholders, is in the process of arranging a new credit facility to replace the bonds, and fully expects the bonds to be refinanced in the ordinary course of business."

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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:34 pm
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stratmansteve wrote:

Rap, hip hop, and now dance music (Electro-Pop, EDM, etc.) have supplanted rock in all of its forms as today's popular music. Most of rock’s iconic guitar gods have faded away due to age and health reasons so there are fewer stars to look up to and become inspired by. Also, you need “real” instruments (and the money to buy them) to create rock. To start making music today, all a kid needs is a computer and free software and most kids today have both. I guess they want to make beats, design sounds, and someday become millionaire DJs like Skrillex, Deadmau5 or Steve Aoki.




good post. I see the writing on the wall. EDM, hip hop etc is too easy to make now and doesn't require much practise. You can slap anything down on your midi controller then auto correct it.

Every guitar player (or other actual instrumentalist) leave their audio finger print on their recordings. It takes lot's of practice, hard work and creativity to get some good music recorded.

Just too much work for the computer generation, and don't evan begin to tell me a producer is involved in hard work. Soon I fear AI will just about wipe out anything humanly creative.


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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:23 pm
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Can't be happy - gotta make big $$$ for the investors.
How are those refrigerator sales going Henry....

Have you seen their latest van paint jobs? Looks like they belong
on a wall at Walmart.

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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:46 am
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I’ll try to be brief with my two cents. I’m one of those old guys who remembers where guitars were everywhere, and I do mean everywhere! From Berry to Haley to Holly, from Les Paul and Mary Ford to Chet Atkins, to Elvis, and with any number of pickers and strummers that weren’t frontmen for a band and some that were.

Then the recording industry had ping pong Hi Fidelty Orthophonic Wide Stereo and Phase 4 sound with bongos and other percussion backing guitar tracks of famous studio guitarists. It was the days of experimentation and promotion of the new media. Some of these recordings became collectable as the variety included novelty arrangements of standards to themes from westerns to exotica. Mainstream included worldwide international recordings. Lots of guitars! Along came movie and TV themes with Al Caiola and his kind. Many of these themes charted. Country got to be more mainstream and crossovers were even more common as western and old country had their following but whittled away. Meanwhile, rock developed with experimentation (some adopted techniques and equipment from MOR, and some were completely original). Ah, yes. British Invasion, Hendrix and psychedelia. All in all, more guitars!

Quad came to town with Tony Mottola and others. Guitars took a front row again. Spanish guitars were popular once again alongside jazz which was swinging with a new interest. Recordings were remixed and those classic guitar riffs introduced themselves to a new audience with surround sound.

Live music was in a healthy state. More guitars!

I hardly touched on the rise of Surf and rock gods, or folk, and when I mentioned brevity at the beginning of this long post it was simply to point out that I could fill this Forum with examples of genres and production where guitars ruled or at least shared center stage in a much larger showing than today, and probably tomorrow.

Today’s musical gear is quite different and developed. The audience is different. The music is different. The players are different. My young nieces have their guitar sitting in a corner because they speak of how difficult it is to learn and play compared to their keyboard. I don’t know how many chords there are in a piano but a guitar has over 2000. :P

Unfortunately there was a different time. It was guitar time.

Maybe, if the guitar gods will it, things will change or hold their own. After all population increases and ancient instruments are still in use; but, like the charm of big bands and classical orchestras everything runs it’s course I’m afraid.

Fortunately, it won’t be in my lifetime or in my house. :D
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:16 am
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The 1980s was an era largely dominated by the LA rock scene. Players like Neal Schon, Eddie Van Halen, Dann Huff, Mike Landau, Steve Lukather and others represented a generation of guitarists who developed complex techniques with their axes, prompting major guitar makers to produce superstrats with humbuckers, active electronics, Floyd Rose locking tremolos and tuners. Gibson came into the scene in 1988 with the radical M-III, US-1 and US-2 but these guitars didn't sell well and were discontinued a couple of years later.

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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:11 am
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Thanks, for adding that well put post chromeface. Lukather is a fave of mine. Let’s face it. LA has great versatile guitarists that are not a one trick poney. Some of them can do it all. Of course, the opposite is true for the plastic fantastic ones rolled out of an assembly plant from Tinsel Town.

I kind of see four geographical areas with the music of America. Well, actually there are more as they could be divided into smaller groups expanding on genre and style. But, to make a point, I’ll keep it to four.

East, West, North, and South. These areas have had a penetrating influence on music trends.

Take the south for example Blues, Country and Western. Add the sounds of New Orleans and backwoods Rockabilly. There’s more but I’ll leave it at that.

The North has it’s own blues, Philly sound, MoTown, Funk and so on.

Then there’s the coasts. East and West. Big bands, Latino (also southern), Surf, Psychedelic, TV groups from the Partridge family to Disney, Disco, Punk, Glam. Boy and Girl Bands, Hip Hop, Rap, and everything mentioned earlier and in between. Yada yada.

Whatever your choice, it’s not hard to see that LA and New York have their finger on the button to roll out the flavour of the day having all but closed down the shops elesewhere. Then there are the buttons in Europe where things are exploding with DJays in a way that has only begun to touch us here. They too are going through a Renaissance. Even the pyramids were rockin’ it without guitars. Although, I have to admit the lighting and projection was awesome.

The nice thing is that as today's songs have few lyrics and more repetition or just a beat with rhyme and talk it shouldn’t be too hard to learn. :P YMMV
On the other hand, you’ll have to learn how to dance or walk like Fossey.

Hold your ground middle America or we’ll all be doing 180 BPM with a clock around our neck, and we’ll end up being like the generation that asks, “What’s a six string?” :roll:

Peace Valley girls, Homies, and Dawgs.

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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:43 pm
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Without the help of guys such as James Tyler, John Suhr, Rudy Pensa, David Schecter and Tom Anderson the LA rock would never sound better. Grover Jackson and Wayne Charvel started and others followed.


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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:20 am
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Here's some modern R&B with guitar. Hang in there 6-strings!

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