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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:05 am
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IYou will never see me hammer someone because their spelling or grammer is off. They obviously have something to say, else they wouldn't be posting in the first place. Why not reply to what they have to say rather than flame them for how they said it?

It's one thing if spelling and grammer are a little off; it's another if someone deliberately chooses that style in the extreme because they think it's socially desirable.

Call me elitist if you will, but if someone wants to share their thoughts with me, starting them out with "Wich of u peeps r jocks an wat do u di wit ur...", is not the way to do it, because that's as far as I'm going to read.

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Post subject: Re: Expession here on the forum
Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:19 am
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P.S.(postscript): To make a point...

In my everyday world 'dna' is 'desoxyribonucleic acid', what is it in yours??

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The "d" is for the letter in my first name "Doug" and the"na" is the first 2 letters in my last name that remains classified. The numbers are meaningful only to me.
That's a "Yahoo" generated screen name and e-mail btw. I didn't come up with that.


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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:21 am
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zzdoc wrote:
P.S.(postscript): To make a point...

In my everyday world 'dna' is 'desoxyribonucleic acid', what is it in yours??

Doc :wink:


Haha! In a part of my world it is Douglas Nathan Adams - so, point taken.

Really, this is more about manners than language, isn't it? To my eye this is generally a remarkably good tempered Forum, compared to things I've (briefly) seen elsewhere - !!!

Mostly that's down to more work than we probably realise backstage, and also the excellent efforts of the vast majority of Forum Members. Nearly 168,000 members: there's always going to be a few numbskulls around who want to graffiti our nice clean walls, but usually they are first politely asked to tidy up their act and if that doesn't work addressed a little more sternly. As far as I'm aware we've needed relatively few bans - isn't that right? Quite an achievement for us all.

On language: on a guitar oriented Forum it must be OK for a little local slang to get used, like "pots" and "pups". Recently someone posted to ask what those two words meant, and they were told politely and without mockery. That's what counts, no?

Personally, I could do without a lot of that text-speak - but that's only because I'm too old and crusty to know what it all means! Catch up, Ceri!

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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:57 am
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I have no problem with what has become standard chat abbreviations; so far as I know they or the equivilents are used in some other language as well.
I have an open mind but that doesn't meanI have a hole in my head; going out of one's way to speak or type gibberish in a forum like this one where it has been plainly stated by not only a large number of members but the Administrator as well is behavior more like what is called a Internet "Troll" not someone genuinely interested in the the discussions here.
English 101 is a good expression (for what I belive) we could all agree to.
No one is asking anyone to "dumb things down"; however using gibberish sure looks like "dumbing down" to me; but that's subjective and just MHO.
I would agree that if someone who doesn't speak english is here on the forum they need to learn the language and we should not "go out of our way" to accomodate them however that said using made up words that you can't find in a standard dictionary IMHO is not fair to most here. I think it's safe to say some here that are trying to learn the language use what they see here as examples of English.
Just because you used some idioms in other forums is not license to use it elsewhere; you can see if it's accepted by all means but when told it isn't accepted here you should graciously live with it.
"When is Rome do as the Romans do" is some pretty good and very old advice.
Some modern day countries (Iceland comes to mind) have been so isolated for 1,000 years that their language changed very liitle; I imagine that with the internet is is changing but when I was there I heard that there was a discussion about what to call the computer program we know as "Windows"; it was decided that it would be called the word used for "sheep skin over the hole in the wall" the hole in the wall being an opening to outside of the home. Bear in mind my Icelandic is non-existant so my apologies to our brethern in the land of the midnight sun and where the hotsprings flow.
As far as abbreviation at work in chat; each job has it's own set of ideas I call "common sense of that job" and in this we have "Jargon" or verbage known only to those in that job. Use of this Jargon isn't usually acceptable when talking to others outside the job as they don't know what that means (much time is spent explaining jargon and the person that doesn't know feels rather inadequete) so it's more efficiant to use common terms most people understand whenb dealing with those people outside the job.
Most of us particiapte in this forum at home on our personal computers; not on a cell phone in a car or bus pecking away on liitle, tiny keys; it's a leisurely pursut; somehting done in a relaxed setting. If some one is in such a hurry as they can't use "English 101" and are forced to use abbriveations to avoid typing out words perhaps they should seek a better time to participate; I know in my own life if I don't have the time to give an endevor the attention it deserves I wait for a more oppotune time when I can.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:08 am
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Ceri wrote:
zzdoc wrote:
P.S.(postscript): To make a point...

In my everyday world 'dna' is 'desoxyribonucleic acid', what is it in yours??

Doc :wink:


Haha! In a part of my world it is Douglas Nathan Adams - so, point taken.

Really, this is more about manners than language, isn't it? To my eye this is generally a remarkably good tempered Forum, compared to things I've (briefly) seen elsewhere - !!!

Mostly that's down to more work than we probably realise backstage, and also the excellent efforts of the vast majority of Forum Members. Nearly 168,000 members: there's always going to be a few numbskulls around who want to graffiti our nice clean walls, but usually they are first politely asked to tidy up their act and if that doesn't work addressed a little more sternly. As far as I'm aware we've needed relatively few bans - isn't that right? Quite an achievement for us all.

On language: on a guitar oriented Forum it must be OK for a little local slang to get used, like "pots" and "pups". Recently someone posted to ask what those two words meant, and they were told politely and without mockery. That's what counts, no?

Personally, I could do without a lot of that text-speak - but that's only because I'm too old and crusty to know what it all means! Catch up, Ceri!

Cheers, everyone - C


I have to agree with you 100%
The term "pots" for Potentiometers has been accepted jargon since before I can remember! 6 syllable words get abbriviated fast in modern English!.
I suppose if I wrote "pickups" 80 times a day I too would be typing "pups" but it's 2 syllables; so it begs the question: are we abbreviating because it's too hard to type out or because it's cool or because its the jargon (lexicon) of guitar?
I'm not sure but some thing you got to accept; others like plain gibberish we should not IMHO.


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My two cents:

I have no problem with subject relevent slang. Most all of us know what a pot or a pup is.

I do think that using "wit" instead of "with" is just far too lazy. We aren't text messaging here. We're conversing. A sentence made totally of IM and Text lingo just makes the user appear illiterate. I mean how much harder is it to type out a whole word? I don't think using proper english is that much trouble. Refusing to do so doesn't make you seem cool.

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As a Social Studies teacher (6th grade World History), I unfortunately have to correct and grade many papers that use online acronyms, and no matter how many times I tell my students not to use it in a paper or essay, they still do it because it is what they are used to.....my answer to that...an automatic 10 points off the grade...DNA, I agree 100% with you.

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jbond1013g wrote:
Warpfield wrote:
IYou will never see me hammer someone because their spelling or grammer is off. They obviously have something to say, else they wouldn't be posting in the first place. Why not reply to what they have to say rather than flame them for how they said it?

It's one thing if spelling and grammer are a little off; it's another if someone deliberately chooses that style in the extreme because they think it's socially desirable.

Call me elitist if you will, but if someone wants to share their thoughts with me, starting them out with "Wich of u peeps r jocks an wat do u di wit ur...", is not the way to do it, because that's as far as I'm going to read.



Exactly! Why should one have to try and decipher what a forum member writes? Reading a post on this forum shouldn't be a puzzle game.
We all (myself included) make spelling and punctuation mistakes on here from time to time. That's a lot different than posting nonsensically.


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citizenerased wrote:
buutt y cnt i tlk like this lol... it mks me l00k more 0ld3r lolz..

Simply kidding. In all seriousness, it really does irk me when there is a blatant disregard for the English language when typing. Sure, there are going to be grammar, spelling, and verb tense errors, but that is to be expected. When you blatantly type something like the first thing I wrote, that is simply ridiculous. We all learn the English language. No one wants to try and decipher the incoherent pile of crap your typed. It looks like you slammed your head against the keyboard. Honestly, it may take an extra half second to type a sentence correctly, but the extra half second can gain you a lot more respect for sounding like an educated human being.

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It it's a long post, like the above first line, I probably won't read it. Not because it makes me angry, but because it's a lot more of a struggle to read it, and I don't want to spend all the extra time doing it.

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My two cents:

I have no problem with subject relevent slang. Most all of us know what a pot or a pup is.

I do think that using "wit" instead of "with" is just far too lazy. We aren't text messaging here. We're conversing. A sentence made totally of IM and Text lingo just makes the user appear illiterate. I mean how much harder is it to type out a whole word? I don't think using proper english is that much trouble. Refusing to do so doesn't make you seem cool.


+1 and I'd like to add that is shows a lack of self respect and respect for your audience.

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I try to write complete sentences in English.

I ignore posts written in something else ... life is too short to play the game of trying to figure out what people mean when they don't use punctuation or complete words.

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What kind of a looking glass have we gone through when Standard English is considered "elitist" while so-called l33t (which itself is actually based on the word "elite") is considered standard?


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Sometimes reading what someone typed as if sending a text message makes my head hurt.

And I hate the abbreviation "LOL."

There, I said it.


all the abbreviation makes me CRAZY!!!!

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Since it's probably not going away, the best thing you can do is to just read and respond to the posts that are legible and ignore the rest.

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This is a serious question. What is i33t? I'm a dummy so explain in detail please.


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