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Post subject: Expession here on the forum
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:33 pm
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If you check my past postings you will find I bi--- and moaned about this a few months back. I mentioned that this was an international forum and that we should watch the contactions, americanisms, and spellings we use. For example the contraction of the word "pickups" = "PUPS" and Pornography was basdardized into "PRON"'. When I asked what "PRON" was I was informed in no uncertain or genteel way as to my level of ignorance of language use in other forums and was asked if I thought I was the Internet Police.
When we allow small things to go on in the name of tolerance they can become BIG problems like this one has. Experiance is the best tool to decide to be tolerant of one thing or not.
When I was a young person I didn't believe the older heads (Mom and Dad) that told me doing one thing can lead to another; but now I'm an old head and most of us older heads understand that it sure can.
Now we have this situation.
IMHO the only people who should get a pass on less than reasonably written expression are those to whom English is a second language.
I don't frequent other language website because I can't read or speak them; but I am sure if I were not an English speaker trying to read English slang, contractions and that stuff would make me nuts. Here, we have people from all over struggling to read English (which is already rated to be the most difficult language in the world to learn) poking through someone's garbage posts.
We older heads all remember when Mensa (the organization of high IQ people) told us that chat writing in CAPITAL letters looks like the author is yelling; equally so that garbage expression I see posted here is insulting.
It's being insultinghas been posted several times by the vast majority here that frequent this site. It's been said that those who wish to express themselves as idiots go to other sites where that is accepted and I second that.
I'm tired of being insulted. I am not stupid and can understand our language and refuse to accept what is being presented as "ok".
Here we ask people to use proper language skills. The "we ask" is code for "we demand" saying "we ask" is being nice about it; some don't get that; they only understand getting kicked out.
There are expectations here; where is one's pride in self to be able to meet the expectations of parents, family, friends, associates, employers and society at large?
I know there is youthful rebellion and that's fine we all did and or do it; we made ourselves look stupid by doing stupid and or dangerous things; we didn't have this internet to show our rebellion but this is not the place.
I'm no longer reading the posts of people who have no respect for themselves or others by communicating in that manner; as far as I'm concerned that type of thing is not to be tolerated.
I wonder what that little girl's Father would say to her if he read her posts and the reaction to them.


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I concur 100%. If you are a native speaker of English, there is no reason why you cannot communicate appropriately. Please show some respect for yourself and for the other users of this forum.


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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:01 pm
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buutt y cnt i tlk like this lol... it mks me l00k more 0ld3r lolz..

Simply kidding. In all seriousness, it really does irk me when there is a blatant disregard for the English language when typing. Sure, there are going to be grammar, spelling, and verb tense errors, but that is to be expected. When you blatantly type something like the first thing I wrote, that is simply ridiculous. We all learn the English language. No one wants to try and decipher the incoherent pile of crap your typed. It looks like you slammed your head against the keyboard. Honestly, it may take an extra half second to type a sentence correctly, but the extra half second can gain you a lot more respect for sounding like an educated human being.

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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:02 pm
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dna, I live here and I sometimes can't understand what some folks are saying! :shock:

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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:05 pm
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I agree that people in a forum like (this one) should be TRYING to discern the acronyms
that they often use & recognize to be different from ones that are
associated with commonly used adult acronyms or offensive content.
I DO NOT agree that I should care to use english in a way that is "easy"
for non-english speaking people to read.
I guess my point there is that I am not going to chose my words or
expressions for people who barely speak my language.
With that said, I always try to make my posts easy to read though.


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bss wrote:
I agree that people in a forum like (this one) should be TRYING to discern the acronyms
that they often use & recognize to be different from ones that are commonly
associated with commonly used adult acronyms or offensive content.
I DO NOT agree that I should care to use english in a way that is "easy"
for non-english speaking people to read.
I guess my point there is that I am not going to chose my words or
expressions for people who barely speak my language.
With that said, I always try to make my posts easy to read though.


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I'm not going to dumb down my grammar, word choice or anything else just to please someone else. You should be able to understand the general message. There is usually no need here for extensive grammar, but you should get the point.


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Honestly speaking on line is almost like texting or IM, so expect the shorthand of text and IM to be used. There's nothing wrong with that. I use IM system at work, we use abbreviation all the time. I understand it, so do most people in Europe that we communicate with. I think now is getting too much complaining about the grammar, we're not writing an English paper here. It has nothing to do with respect. It's a on line forum, if you don't understand what the other person is saying just ask. I do agree some of the younger people's expression is harder to understand. Do understand there are some acceptable abbreviations with online speaking/texting - eg. LOL, BTW, IDK - nothing wrong with that, if anything is expected. English is my 2nd language btw. Sorry, I meant to say, "second language by the way."

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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:19 pm
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dna9656 wrote:
Here we ask people to use proper language skills. The "we ask" is code for "we demand" saying "we ask" is being nice about it; some don't get that; they only understand getting kicked out.
There are expectations here; where is one's pride in self to be able to meet the expectations of parents, family, friends, associates, employers and society at large?
I know there is youthful rebellion and that's fine we all did and or do it; we made ourselves look stupid by doing stupid and or dangerous things; we didn't have this internet to show our rebellion but this is not the place.
I'm no longer reading the posts of people who have no respect for themselves or others by communicating in that manner; as far as I'm concerned that type of thing is not to be tolerated.
I wonder what that little girl's Father would say to her if he read her posts and the reaction to them.

Well put dna9656. To me, that jibberish is laziness, a lack of respect, and a lack of discipline. Go to a Hannah Montana or Wiggles website if that is how you're going to be. Now get off my lawn!


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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:28 am
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Sometimes reading what someone typed as if sending a text message makes my head hurt.

And I hate the abbreviation "LOL."

There, I said it.

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I am a forum junkie, and have been for years. Trolling various gaming forums and such for several years has the effect of desensitizing a person against what is perceived as bad English or grammer. Having sifted through reams of l33t speak has put me in a frame of mind where I really don't care about HOW a person conveys their thoughts but rather, the thoughts themselves. Whenever I see someone ridicule another for their spelling, grammer, etc. in a post, I see this as an elitist, holier than thou attitude that does not promote positive exchange of ideas.

You will never see me hammer someone because their spelling or grammer is off. They obviously have something to say, else they wouldn't be posting in the first place. Why not reply to what they have to say rather than flame them for how they said it?

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citizenerased wrote:
buutt y cnt i tlk like this lol... it mks me l00k more 0ld3r lolz..

Simply kidding. In all seriousness, it really does irk me when there is a blatant disregard for the English language when typing. Sure, there are going to be grammar, spelling, and verb tense errors, but that is to be expected. When you blatantly type something like the first thing I wrote, that is simply ridiculous. We all learn the English language. No one wants to try and decipher the incoherent pile of crap your typed. It looks like you slammed your head against the keyboard. Honestly, it may take an extra half second to type a sentence correctly, but the extra half second can gain you a lot more respect for sounding like an educated human being.



Exactly! I can't understand how one could think it is cool to write jibberish. I think this uneducated behavior will only get worse as time goes on.


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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:10 am
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Warpfield wrote:
I am a forum junkie, and have been for years. Trolling various gaming forums and such for several years has the effect of desensitizing a person against what is perceived as bad English or grammer. Having sifted through reams of l33t speak has put me in a frame of mind where I really don't care about HOW a person conveys their thoughts but rather, the thoughts themselves. Whenever I see someone ridicule another for their spelling, grammer, etc. in a post, I see this as an elitist, holier than thou attitude that does not promote positive exchange of ideas.

You will never see me hammer someone because their spelling or grammer is off. They obviously have something to say, else they wouldn't be posting in the first place. Why not reply to what they have to say rather than flame them for how they said it?
That's exactly how I feel. If it gets to the point where I can't understand what is written, I'll either move on and ignore the message, or ask them to re-write it in a way that I can. I'm not one to go into a thread with the sole intent of attacking someone for writing like that.

I spent nearly four years at Nintendo's NSider forum (and the predecessor to that forum), until it was shut down, so I've seen my share of trolls, fanboys, and people with a general disregard for the laws of modern English.


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Warpfield wrote:
I am a forum junkie, and have been for years. Trolling various gaming forums and such for several years has the effect of desensitizing a person against what is perceived as bad English or grammer. Having sifted through reams of l33t speak has put me in a frame of mind where I really don't care about HOW a person conveys their thoughts but rather, the thoughts themselves. Whenever I see someone ridicule another for their spelling, grammer, etc. in a post, I see this as an elitist, holier than thou attitude that does not promote positive exchange of ideas.

You will never see me hammer someone because their spelling or grammer is off. They obviously have something to say, else they wouldn't be posting in the first place. Why not reply to what they have to say rather than flame them for how they said it?


If one compares Chaucer's English with the contemporary, it is no secret that language evolves. Perhaps, in two hundred years, we will be speaking, reading, and writing in what you refer to as "I33t". The sentiment expressed here is that what is expected in 'English 101' should be the order of the day when communicating on this Forum.

Do not be surprised if, by following 'wingfield m's' example, that you may have deprived yourself of some valuable counsel as a result.

For my part, I have already taken the position that I will no longer humor her or those like her.

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zzdoc wrote:
Warpfield wrote:
I am a forum junkie, and have been for years. Trolling various gaming forums and such for several years has the effect of desensitizing a person against what is perceived as bad English or grammer. Having sifted through reams of l33t speak has put me in a frame of mind where I really don't care about HOW a person conveys their thoughts but rather, the thoughts themselves. Whenever I see someone ridicule another for their spelling, grammer, etc. in a post, I see this as an elitist, holier than thou attitude that does not promote positive exchange of ideas.

You will never see me hammer someone because their spelling or grammer is off. They obviously have something to say, else they wouldn't be posting in the first place. Why not reply to what they have to say rather than flame them for how they said it?


If one compares Chaucer's English with the contemporary, it is no secret that language evolves. Perhaps, in two hundred years, we will be speaking, reading, and writing in what you refer to as "I33t". The sentiment expressed here is that what is expected in 'English 101' should be the order of the day when communicating on this Forum.

Do not be surprised if, by following 'wingfield m's' example, that you may have deprived yourself of some valuable counsel as a result.

For my part, I have already taken the position that I will no longer humor her or those like her.

Doc.


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[quote="dna9656"]

P.S.(postscript): To make a point...

In my everyday world 'dna' is 'desoxyribonucleic acid', what is it in yours??

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