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Post subject: Pure Vintage?
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:35 pm
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I'm awaiting delivery of a new Classic Player Baja '60s Telecaster.
Specs. for this new guitar states that it has two American Vintage single-coil Tele pickups, a '52 at the neck, and a '58 at the bridge. I was looking at the specs. for pickups in the parts/pickups section. When I click on American Vintage pickups all that comes up is a pair of Pure Vintage '58, and a pair of '64 Tele pickups. Plus one pair of Fender Original Vintage Tele pickups.
It all seems very confusing and contradictory. There seems to be a distinct difference when referring to American Vintage series guitars, and American Vintage pickups. Are my pickups Fender Original Vintage, Pure Vintage, something else, or what. I'd just like to read the precise specs. for my particular pickups. If that's possible, where do I go?

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Post subject: Re: Pure Vintage?
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:16 pm
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Here are the links so you can check it out for yourself.

Fender Original Vintage Telecaster Pickups

Fender Pure Vintage '58 Telecaster Pickups

Right off the hop a couple of obvious differences immediately jump out.
- AlNiCo 3 vs 5
- Potted

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Post subject: Re: Pure Vintage?
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:36 am
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Hi Dave.

I bought a Baja 60s Tele in 2016 and did the same thing you did. I searched the Fender website for more information on the pickups. Here’s what I found.

Back then Fender had in their product line “American Vintage 52 Telecaster Pickups” and “American Vintage 58 Telecaster Pickups”, the same terminology as shown in the specs for the Baja 60s. (They’ve changed the terminology to “Original Vintage” and “Pure Vintage”. I don’t know what the differences are).

I believe they used the neck from the 52 set and the bridge from the 58 set for the Baja 60s.

The neck features:
• Enamel-coated magnet wire for warm vintage tone
• Alnico 3 magnets
• Period-correct cloth output wire and fiber bobbin
• Tin-plated copper base plate
DC Resistance: Neck: 7.2k ohms

I found more info on the bridge:
• Enamel-coated magnet wire
• Alnico 3 magnets
• Staggered bridge pickup pole pieces
• Copper shielding plate
• Wax-potted

Output Rating – Bridge:
• Bass/Mid/Treble - 7/6/7

DC Resistance – Bridge:
• 6.6k ohms

Inductance - Bridge:
• 3.3 henries

I really like the Baja series. You’ve made a nice choice, in my opinion. Enjoy it.


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Post subject: Re: Pure Vintage?
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:08 pm
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Pudbert wrote:
Hi Dave.

I bought a Baja 60s Tele in 2016 and did the same thing you did. I searched the Fender website for more information on the pickups. Here’s what I found.

Back then Fender had in their product line “American Vintage 52 Telecaster Pickups” and “American Vintage 58 Telecaster Pickups”, the same terminology as shown in the specs for the Baja 60s. (They’ve changed the terminology to “Original Vintage” and “Pure Vintage”. I don’t know what the differences are).

I believe they used the neck from the 52 set and the bridge from the 58 set for the Baja 60s.

The neck features:
• Enamel-coated magnet wire for warm vintage tone
• Alnico 3 magnets
• Period-correct cloth output wire and fiber bobbin
• Tin-plated copper base plate
DC Resistance: Neck: 7.2k ohms

I found more info on the bridge:
• Enamel-coated magnet wire
• Alnico 3 magnets
• Staggered bridge pickup pole pieces
• Copper shielding plate
• Wax-potted

Output Rating – Bridge:
• Bass/Mid/Treble - 7/6/7

DC Resistance – Bridge:
• 6.6k ohms

Inductance - Bridge:
• 3.3 henries

I really like the Baja series. You’ve made a nice choice, in my opinion. Enjoy it.


Thank a lot Pudbert. That's exactly the information I was hoping to get. You seem to be a lot like me, in that you appear to be quite details conscious. Maybe I'll dig deeper and see if I can come up with info. regarding the difference, if in fact there is a difference, between the Original Vintage and the Pure Vintage. If I get anything, I'll let you know.
It's also very encouraging to hear from a Baja '60s owner who is happy with the guitar, after test driving it for a year or so.
Thanks again for going to the trouble of typing out all that info., and getting back to me so quickly....................Dave

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Post subject: Re: Pure Vintage?
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:04 pm
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Hi Pudbert,
I contacted the Fender customer support chat line. All the details I got back are below. You'll see the question I asked, and the response I got. It will at least give you, and anyone else interested, something to wade through, and maybe provide more fuel for the fire. I edited out all the non-issue irrelevant stuff. I don't know how much further ahead we are, but I'm having fun, thinking about my new guitar, anyway. :lol: I'll leave it with you.

Good luck.............Dave :D

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Is there a difference between an Original Vintage pickup and a Pure Vintage pickup? And where can I find details regarding this pickup, or pickups?

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On pickups it's a little bit different
Obviously the pure vintage are replicas of the original vintage
Dave
Can you provide me with a link to details for each?
Ed
We usually don't have any website created
for this type of products
telling differences\
Dave
I've ordered a Classic Player Baja '60s Telecaster, and I'd like to know the exact details of the pickups identified as American Vintage '52 and '58 single-coil Tele. Where can I obtain that information?
Ed
Let me check if we have them
Dave
Thank you
Ed
Pickup: Vintage Telecaster® (old)
Position: Bridge
Used On Models: US '52 Vintage Telecaster
'50s Telecasters (Custom Shop)
'50s Relic "Nocaster"
'52 Telecaster Left Handed
Relic 50`s Tele (Custom Shop)
Yamano
Part Number: 0018484000
Description:
Wire: 42 gage Plain Enamel
Turns: 9200
Bobbin: Fiber
Magnet: Alnico 5
Polarity: North
Pole Length low E: 5/8
Pole Length A: 5/8
Pole Length D: 5/8
Pole Length G: 5/8
Pole Length B: 5/8
Pole Length high E: 5/8
U.S. MSRP: $42.02
Source: USA
Status: DISCONTINUED
Pickup: American Vintage Telecaster®
Position: Neck
Used On Models: American Vintage '52 Telecaster,

American Vintage '52 Telecaster Special
Stock Tele,
Relic '50s Tele,
Yamano,
Left Hand '52 Tele
Part Number: 0053780000
Description: The '52 Tele neck pickup is a mate for the '52 bridge pickup. This pickup is also designed using Alnico 3. For a single coil pickup, the '52 neck has the warmest tone of any of our Tele neck pickups. It has excellent clarity, and each note is full bodied. This pickup will appeal to jazz and rock players alike.
Wire: 43 gage Enamel
Turns: 7800
Bobbin: Fiber
Magnet: Alnico 3
Polarity: North
DC Resistance: 7.0 K ohms
Inductance: 2.35 Henries
Pole Length low E: 11/16
Pole Length A: 11/16
Pole Length D: 11/16
Pole Length G: 11/16
Pole Length B: 11/16
Pole Length high E: 11/16
DC Resistance: 7.0 K ohms
Appearance Details: Alnico 3 Magnets, flush magnet array / non staggered, enamel coated magnet wire, chrome plated nickel silver cover, vintage construction, cloth insulated output wires
U.S. MSRP: $45.00
Source: USA This is the current 52 reissue
Pickup: Custom Shop Broadcaster Single-Coil (Bridge)
Position: Bridge
Used On Models: Classic Player Baja Telecaster®
Part Number: 0072268000
Description: PICKUP ASSY VINT TELE BRG
Wire: 43 gage plain Enamel
Magnet: Alnico 5
Pole Length low E:
Pole Length A:
Pole Length D:
Pole Length G:
Pole Length B:
Pole Length high E:
Source: USA CUSTOM SHOP
Pickup: Custom Shop “Twisted” Tele® Single-Coil
Position: Neck
Used On Models: Classic Player Baja Telecaster®: PICKUP ASSY TWISTED TELE NK
Wire: 42 gage Formvar
Magnet: Alnico 5
Polarity:
DC Resistance:
Pole Length low E:
Pole Length A:
Pole Length D:
Pole Length G:
Pole Length B:
Pole Length high E:
Source: USA CUSTOM SHOP

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Post subject: Re: Pure Vintage?
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:57 am
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Putting out fire with gasoline is always fun... :wink:

The Baja at the moment has a new number, model 014-1513-(300 for 3TSB/372 for Faded Sonic Blue).
The wiring & such seem the same as the previous 014-1510, the renovation is probably the Pau Ferro.

So, going on the 014-1510 diagram from 2014 , it lists ”Pickup Assy 60’s Baja Tele Neck Chr”, part number 7705554000 and “Pickup Assy 58 Tele Bridge”, part number 0992233000.
Funny thing is, neither matches the info you got from that chat...

Googling gives just about nothing for that neck pup.
For the bridge pup, quite a lot - e.g. fender.com.au has these specs:
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Pure Vintage '58 Telecaster Pickups
From vintage bobbin construction to genuine original-era cloth wiring, all Fender Pure Vintage pickups are wound to precise specifications for authentic, traditional Fender tone and performance.

Pure Vintage ‘58 Telecaster Pickup Set

As Heard on
Fender American Vintage '58 Telecaster® guitar

The clean, clear and direct tone of Fender Pure Vintage ’58 Tele pickup and its original-era construction evoke the early days of the our first solid-body electric guitar—anytime, anywhere.

Tonal Characteristics
•Enamel-coated magnet wire improves overall brightness
•Alnico 3 produce sweetly prominent midrange with tight, focused bass

•Staggered bridge pickup polepieces balance volume and output across every string
•Copper shielding plate on the bridge pickup produces a more lively tone
•Wax-potted

Product Detail
•Period-correct cloth wire and fiber bobbin construction
•Includes black bridge and chrome-plated neck pickup covers

Included Components
Fender Pure Vintage ’58 Tele pickups come with all parts needed for installation, including:
•Mounting screws
•Pickup height adjustment tubing
•Wiring diagram
Output Rating (Bass/Mid/Treble)
•Neck: 7/4/4
•Bridge: 7/6/7

Other Specifications

DC Resistance
•Neck: 7.4k ohms
•Bridge: 6.6k ohms

Inductance
•Neck: 2.1 henries
•Bridge: 3.3 henries


So, you're in a bit of a haze with specs changing, pickups becoming NLA etc. You could keep chatting (or contact the Consumer Relations by email) for more info.
Or choose to wait till the guitar arrives and evaluate it by its sound.
Being "a bit" OCD myself, I know that's a tough choice. :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Pure Vintage?
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:12 am
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jmattis wrote:
Putting out fire with gasoline is always fun... :wink:

The Baja at the moment has a new number, model 014-1513-(300 for 3TSB/372 for Faded Sonic Blue).
The wiring & such seem the same as the previous 014-1510, the renovation is probably the Pau Ferro.

So, going on the 014-1510 diagram from 2014 , it lists ”Pickup Assy 60’s Baja Tele Neck Chr”, part number 7705554000 and “Pickup Assy 58 Tele Bridge”, part number 0992233000.
Funny thing is, neither matches the info you got from that chat...

Googling gives just about nothing for that neck pup.
For the bridge pup, quite a lot - e.g. fender.com.au has these specs:
Quote:
Pure Vintage '58 Telecaster Pickups
From vintage bobbin construction to genuine original-era cloth wiring, all Fender Pure Vintage pickups are wound to precise specifications for authentic, traditional Fender tone and performance.

Pure Vintage ‘58 Telecaster Pickup Set

As Heard on
Fender American Vintage '58 Telecaster® guitar

The clean, clear and direct tone of Fender Pure Vintage ’58 Tele pickup and its original-era construction evoke the early days of the our first solid-body electric guitar—anytime, anywhere.

Tonal Characteristics
•Enamel-coated magnet wire improves overall brightness
•Alnico 3 produce sweetly prominent midrange with tight, focused bass

•Staggered bridge pickup polepieces balance volume and output across every string
•Copper shielding plate on the bridge pickup produces a more lively tone
•Wax-potted

Product Detail
•Period-correct cloth wire and fiber bobbin construction
•Includes black bridge and chrome-plated neck pickup covers

Included Components
Fender Pure Vintage ’58 Tele pickups come with all parts needed for installation, including:
•Mounting screws
•Pickup height adjustment tubing
•Wiring diagram
Output Rating (Bass/Mid/Treble)
•Neck: 7/4/4
•Bridge: 7/6/7

Other Specifications

DC Resistance
•Neck: 7.4k ohms
•Bridge: 6.6k ohms

Inductance
•Neck: 2.1 henries
•Bridge: 3.3 henries


So, you're in a bit of a haze with specs changing, pickups becoming NLA etc. You could keep chatting (or contact the Consumer Relations by email) for more info.
Or choose to wait till the guitar arrives and evaluate it by its sound.
Being "a bit" OCD myself, I know that's a tough choice. :lol:


Thanks jmattis for that excellent information on the bridge pickup. Ideally, the same level of info. on the neck pickup would be great. But like you say, to dig deeper for that info., an email to customer service would probably be the next best bet. I've never had much luck with chat-lines. With emails I can generally be much more specific about the info. that I want, and it gives me more time to review, at my own pace,(slow) information that they send me.
All the detail on the bridge pickup, and the other components of the guitar, was nice and concise, and to the point. It's certainly all the detail I can handle, and just what I wanted.
I'd also heard, that the part # change was pau ferro related.

Anyway, thanks again. OCD eh! I'll have to do a study on that right away :lol: ..............................Dave

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Post subject: Re: Pure Vintage?
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:03 pm
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For what it's worth, and without quoting who said what about what, I just received this information from Fender Consumer Relation/U.S. Direct Sales, Scottsdale, AZ. No doubt a lot of you will already know everything there is to know about this. But at least it's finally answered my question well enough that I can comfortably resume my life. :lol:
On the current Fender Classic Player Baja '60s Telecasters being shipped, the neck pickup is essentially a '52 Telecaster Original Vintage pickup,with an extra lead added for better grounding. And the bridge pickup is a '58, the same pickup used on the American Vintage '58 Telecaster.

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