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Post subject: Brad Traweek, question re: new members
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:27 am
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Apparently when new members register, if their first post is a "new topic" it doesn't appear on the index page for several days.

So many of them think they did something wrong and post the same new topic again.

Others think they're getting the cold shoulder and never come back.

I've never joined any forum that did that. In the past few years forums have added email verification/activation, or used Captcha's to weed out spammers, but they all let you create new topics immediately.

I joined here a long time ago and I don't remember it being that way.

So the questions: Is there actually a delay, or are new posters trying to post new topics before they completed the registration process? (If so the software should be telling them they haven't completed their registration.)

If there's a delay, are new members notified that their first new topic will be delayed? (They should be.)

If there's a delay, is it really necessary? Intentional or a glitch?


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Post subject: Re: Question for moderators re new members
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:55 am
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Post subject: Re: Question for moderators re new members
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:33 pm
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It's the holiday season so you might not get a speedy response.
Just the same you can improve the odds your query is seen.
I personally do not expect Brad to read every single thread so if I specifically want to catch his attention I put his name right in the topic title; the very first word.

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Post subject: Re: Question for moderators re new members
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:03 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
It's the holiday season so you might not get a speedy response.
Just the same you can improve the odds your query is seen.
I personally do not expect Brad to read every single thread so if I specifically want to catch his attention I put his name right in the topic title; the very first word.


Thanks! Thread title edited.

Since the Lounge lists "moderators: Brad Traweek - Fender, Fender Forum Monitors" I assumed Brad was the head and there are other monitors too.

I picture them dancing around a server in a dark room, wearing hooded shrouds, chanting arcane incantations. The occasional burnt offering and virgin sacrifice.

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Post subject: Re: Question for moderators re new members
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:22 pm
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I picture them dancing around a server in a dark room, wearing hooded shrouds, chanting arcane incantations. The occasional burnt offering and virgin sacrifice.


Actually they're known to periodically disembowel a live Les Paul in an elaborate ritual known as a "Gibsonectomy".

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Post subject: Re: Brad Traweek, question re: new members
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:38 pm
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strayedstrater wrote:
I picture them dancing around a server in a dark room, wearing hooded shrouds, chanting arcane incantations. The occasional burnt offering and virgin sacrifice.


Actually they're known to periodically disembowel a live Les Paul in an elaborate ritual known as a "Gibsonectomy".

:mrgreen:

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ROTFL Arjay

That’s like an Appledectomy. :P
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Post subject: Re: Brad Traweek, question re: new members
Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:12 pm
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modified_Gibson_Incision

Sadly, the Gibsonectomy seems like a real nasty bit of business...

The Modified Gibson incision is a transverse incision above the pubis, frequently used in gynecological and urological surgeries. This incision can be made on either side of the midline, but often on the left. It is started 3 cm above and parallel to the inguinal ligament and extended vertically 3 cm medial to the anterior superior iliac spine up to the umbilicus.[1] The modified Gibson incision allows proper access to the small bowel and pelvic organs and limited access to omentum. It is also possible to have tactile assessment of large bowel and subdiaphragmatic surfaces using this incision. This incision is preferred for lymph node dissection, as extra peritoneal approach of pelvic sidewall is possible.[2] [3] The superior epigastric vessels and round ligament are ligated to provide easy exposure. If traction to the peritoneum is high, there is a chance for avulsion of the inferior mesenteric artery and inferior mesenteric vein.
References
Malhothra, Narendra; Puri, Randhir (2014). Operative Obstetrics and Gynaecology (2 ed.). New Delhi: Jaypee Brothers Medical Publishers. ISBN 9789351521617.
Shafi, Mahamood (2010). Gynaecological Oncology. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 9780521730242.
Eric, Beiber; Sanfilippo, Joseph. Clinical gynaecology. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978110704039

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Post subject: Re: Brad Traweek, question re: new members
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:shock: Holey Smoley! You have to think twice before asking for a Gibson. :roll:
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Post subject: Re: Brad Traweek, question re: new members
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:shock: Holey Smoley! You have to think twice before asking for a Gibson. :roll:
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... or asking a newb question, for that matter.

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Post subject: Re: Brad Traweek, question re: new members
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:shock: Holey Smoley! You have to think twice before asking for a Gibson. :roll:
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Post subject: Re: Brad Traweek, question re: new members
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:59 am
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I don't know about a lot of this stuff. How the forum works now is a mystery. I have come to this forum for a source of knowledge regarding Fender products, history and general fun. It's something I wanted to get involved with again after many years. Unfortunately, It has become dead since joining in 2014. The old posts are interesting, but they're old. These forums are a reflection on Fender. There is no enthusiasm. Lately, it's very disinteresting. What is happening to the Fender Brand or for that matter, most American guitar brands? Is it all over? So sad if it is. If so, we're doomed to computer generated trash "music". Where is the talent and the music?


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Post subject: Re: Brad Traweek, question re: new members
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:49 pm
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Hey there, LawFlow. Some interesting observations. I’m on the fence with that though.

How many times have we heard “The day the music died”? My parent’s big band era, and the man said to have built Columbia Records (Nat King Cole) dissing Rock and Roll, and then came the Folk movement, the British Invasion, the Hippie era, Disco/Funk, Metal, electronic New Wave, Punk and Garage, Hip/Hop, Rap, and thankfully, Country Rock still rockin’ the guitars albeit with Rap and hot pants have all have raised the “What’s happening with the music?” question.

In some regions Jazz is struggling. Sampling and trios with keyboards, bass, and maybe a drummer or drum machine have recently taken over the stage, and yet Bowie’s Space Oddity is still being performed in a space station with guitar in hand.

The Blues was taking a back seat until a resurgence from those like the Stones, and the two Eric’s (Clapton and Burdon) stepped up to bring it back to the masses. The Blues Masters are the first to give credit to that movement.

The expense to house and transport live music definitely made a difference. I know first hand that local telecasts got hurt by that. So too did other establishments, and bands soon inherited dwindling job opportunities. I returned from the coast to this reputable music town only to discover it lost the last all Jazz radio station in our city. Even the NORAD jazz band has left.

This is not a judgment by any means because talent and my appreciation of it crosses all levels and experiences in life. Just know that music is a business as much as it is an art, and the industry has always and always will take advantage of those trying to make their mark in music. They did it with blues, doo wop, and rap (along with the rest). There is a pattern and, although many have benefitted, it is plain to see how the industry got the biggest piece of pie. This has influenced the popularity of genres then, now, and will in the future.

I think there will always be electric guitars. Whether rock continues as we have enjoyed for years is anybody’s guess. However, to say that the common guitar is doomed would be like saying the violin will disappear.

There are drummers, and then there are percussionists. There are guitar players, and then there are musicians who are guitar players.

As for guitars in the future and Fender, history has shown that sometimes it is the musician that is holding back and not the manufacturer:



Keyboards and sampling can play a part, but that’s the bottom line. They can only play a part as they cannot be played the same, and if you think keyboards are a problem, you should consider the fact that guitars can emulate keyboards and other instruments too.

I do agree that computer generator music can be monotonous trash; but, there is a history of great compositions as well. This is one:



Moog and others didn’t reach their reputation from being junk.

It’s the audience’s taste that determines the junk. Musicians have a duty and a role to point them in a better direction.

Music is what you make it. I love the simplicity of tape, but, I also love the flexibility of digital. Tape did little for recording other than give a tool for those who did a lot for recordings. Skill and digital tools without talent will keep you in the Twilight Zone. But, skill and talent will put you in a far better place.

While we talk about skill and talent, as a former producer and director I was once taught by a well connected and experienced mentor that it is more appealing to have someone with talent in front of a plain wall rather than to have an expensive set and many without talent. But, first you have to recognize talent to weigh the differences. The best of the best with an it factor will always rise to the top and that can influence the style and popularity. Sometimes it fades when the original is lost.

If you look at today’s popular performers and idols you will find both those with and those without a great musical talent. To say that they have no talent may be incorrect. They have enough talent to put on a welcomed show for which they have an appreciative audience. Many are simply relying on the showcase displayed whether it’s dance, outfits, a sense of togetherness or whatever. Reworking a standard or classic song 50s, 60s. 70s, 80s and so on may be all it takes to grab attention. It’s all a formula that has worked for bands and performers in the past, and it works now. Many choose to ignore it. Whether you are in a band or behind a pair of turntables, the look and what I call tightness is what the crowd searches out. It separates you from the competition. Those that capitalize on it win, and those that don’t pay attention to presentation, well . . . maybe you’ll get lucky with the pyrotechnics. :wink: I will say if it’s just for fun, surround yourself with a fun crowd and you’re good to go. In my case I could play lousy and all I have to do is look to family and friends that would argue that in my favour. They have no taste in music either. :lol:
Can the guitar fit in with the previous scenarios? Absolutely.

My biggest fear on the change of music is in the generation gap. Earlier generations taught us the history of music which we digested and developed to mold into our own recipe. What will future generations do with their parents’ musical upbringing? Well, if it includes some of the Ho hum “That’s all there is?” productions, I don’t know. It is noticeable that little, less, and often none of earlier music has influenced the new direction music is going. I totally get the origin of rap. Just like the 70s we were swamped by crap amongst the good stuff. I ROTFL with the drugstore cowboys who rap about the hood that doesn’t exist or is fabricated in regions where none existed, and, unfortunately, the neighbourhood now somehow simulates one. Don’t fret though. If we’re lucky, something better in new music will come along. That shouldn’t be too hard. :P
Tip: In order to change the face of music, we’ll have to control the media that promotes it. Good luck with that. :roll:
As for the Forum(s), topics are made by the members and participation brought here is encouraged accordingly.

Thanks, for bringing up the discussion LawFlow.

Looking forward to the New Year.

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Post subject: Re: Brad Traweek, question re: new members
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Good points, FSB - also NAMM is next month!

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Post subject: Re: Brad Traweek, question re: new members
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Good points, FSB - also NAMM is next month!
Thanks, Mike, and thanks for the NAMM alert. I have a feeling there will be some major changes or solidified development coming our way. My bet is that prices and related features will also be topical. Should be interesting. 8)
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Post subject: Re: Brad Traweek, question re: new members
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strayedstrater wrote:
Apparently when new members register, if their first post is a "new topic" it doesn't appear on the index page for several days.


You may have noticed that the level of spam on these forums has been FAR more tolerable this past year, and this is part of the reason for that. We've cracked down on spammers across the board and part of that program is that the first posting for new members does undergo a manual review process.

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I've never joined any forum that did that.


It's not that unusual of a practice ... it is an out-of-the-box option and I'm a member of several other forums (though not music-related ones, in fairness) that do require similar initial hoops.

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In the past few years forums have added email verification/activation, or used Captcha's to weed out spammers, but they all let you create new topics immediately.


True, although most of these approaches are far from foolproof - particularly for open source software of the kind being used here. (Fender is an appealing "target," so to speak, for this sort of activity as well, obviously.)

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I joined here a long time ago and I don't remember it being that way.


Correct - we've periodically adjusted the approach through the years as spammers have adjusted and refined their own techniques.

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If there's a delay, are new members notified that their first new topic will be delayed? (They should be.)


There's a reasonably clear notification although, in light of this thread, I'll definitely take another gander at it this coming week and beef that up a bit to ensure it's crystal clear.

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