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Post subject: Hurricane Tips, Help, and related.
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:00 am
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There are several specific Hurricane threads here which are all good and helpful. Hurricane season on this side of the pond will usually run from around May till November 30th. That said, other hurricanes will surely come, when and where no one knows; but, one thing for sure, many do not know what they face or what to do.

This includes some of the members here, and others who might find themselves in one unexpectedly. Add to that others who wish more information, updates, contact, or simply help to find one another, or similar topics of interest. Many here have experience on how to tackle the dilemma both with preparation and the aftermath.

This is not meant to be a replacement for other threads nor is it meant to be an official update or media substitution. It is for any and all things that could be Hurricane related where the other threads may not be as general or specific.

If you have tips or information that may help or anything else to add that relates, here is a place that may help. It may relate to other parts of the world as well. It may well save lives or, at the very least, hopefully, make the experience a little better.

Stay safe.

I'll start with this:

HURRICANE and DANGER LEVELS


THINGS YOU CAN DO


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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:28 am
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The more info you have the better. I use this web site to monitor weather related storms, it has served me very well for several years. Its primarily for Texas and Louisiana but has plenty of helpful links or general information. I actually sent the website host an email today thanking them for their site. I believe he lives in Beaumont, Tx and the site just came back online late yesterday and is already mostly updated w/ info on all three current/potential storms threatening the USA. I will warn that there is a lot of data/info maybe to much for some browsers and is best viewed imho w/ Windows Edge.
http://www.beaumontweather.com/


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Post subject: Re: Hurricane Tips, Help, and related.
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:17 pm
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Thanks, Eric. Lots of data for sure, but lots of good stuff and awesome site. Excellent addition.

Hopes this finds you well and safe.

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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:47 pm
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Heads up on this caution should it apply in your area.

DANGERS IN FLOOD WATER


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Post subject: Re: Hurricane Tips, Help, and related.
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:07 pm
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I've been through many storms on the water where the ship is completely sealed from the elements, and where it is partially. Not being just a fair weather sailor, I've faced storms with a 95 foot sailing vessel too. Many times a large ship, and I mean a LARGE ship as opposed to a large boat, is sent to sea as a precaution, whereas the recreational or sporting sailor may get caught in a place or situation that they'd rather not be in.

There are many things to consider when securing your vessel prior to a storm including a hurricane. First off, do not stay on your boat unless you have no choice!

The following is is just one introduction and guide as boats, circumstances, and skills vary. Your location will have some options that will be similar or different altogether. Stay safe.

PROTECT YOUR BOAT


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Post subject: Re: Hurricane Tips, Help, and related.
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Thanks for the info. So far, there hasn't been any indication of anything heading towards Newport, Rhode Island, but we picked up some extra provisions ahead of time, just in case. Better now, than last minute when everything is cleaned out. Besides, it's just extra grocery shopping from what we typically use (water, canned goods, etc.) anyway. We just don't have to do as much shopping later on.

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Post subject: Re: Hurricane Tips, Help, and related.
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:58 pm
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You're welcome. You can never be too prepared. Battery backup for smartphones, etc. might be overlooked or undervalued. Cash on hand is handy too. With supplies, you can never have too much. You can have too little.

I was joking with Mrs. FSB that should we lose all electrical power, backups and batteries included, we now have the acoustic so we'll have music! :lol:
On the other hand many can charge their USB connections with the car if they can get fuel. :roll:
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Post subject: Re: Hurricane Tips, Help, and related.
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:07 am
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Location: On the loo, regretting that gas station burrito.
A lot of stuff we bought a while back, like LED flashlights, and battery operated cellphone chargers, radios, and a lot of batteries. We've had a couple of instances where we'd lost power, the worst being a very bad blizzard back in 2011 in which we lost power for at least two days. Sitting in a house in the dark in 10 degree weather isn't exactly what I'd call a picnic. :P At least we had a gas hot water heater and could manual light the stove with a light (it's electric ignition, but gas powered.) National Grid (our power suppliers) had their heads up their arses and dropped the ball when that happened. The government was pissed off, since it effected a lot of Rhode Island, so luckily they've been better prepared whenever we have blizzards, which fortunately, haven't been that bad since then.

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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:56 am
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I know what you mean about losing the heat in the winter, Paul. I had a brief in between jobs period where I sold furnaces and had to deliver electric heaters that could help especially the elderly in times that there was weather like 40 below. I also had a one of those great gas ovens, but no need as you stated; however, we had no heat in the winter once and that did it for me. We are hoping to add a fire place next year since we've had a few before and we will get one that ignites without electricity and blows heat so that will help to solve some chance of power loss. Nice to have a gas furnace, but not when you can't ignite it. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Hurricane Tips, Help, and related.
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:57 pm
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EVACUATION:
The following will vary with your location; but, much of this is universal.

Reasons to evacuate:

Flights in and out will temporarily stop.

Hospitals and first responders will temporarily vacate in many districts.

Fuel is coming into ports, but it still needs to reach the pump you need. Tip: The Go Buddy App could come in handy here (as other apps could help).

If you lose a bridge you will not get out.

You may not be able to get out, but others may not be available or able to reach you either. Your vehicle and those of first responders may not be suited for travel after the storm. Military vehicles will fill that void, but there are limitations.

Even if you survive, you may get injured. Hopefully, if the injury includes being buried under rubble or in a compromising situation, the first responders will locate you in a timely fashion from the list of other survivors. Your injury may be a disadvantage to those who depend on you for survival.

You will not likely have added security available should that be necessary. It is safer to work and live in a secured zone.

Curfews

Fire can be an issue that will be difficult to control.

You don't want to have to deal with rodents or creepy crawlers.

If you're depending on toilet, bath, or tap water you might want to get that outside the storm area. It may cease to work or be drinkable, and rationing is likely to happen.

Arguments are made for housing improvements and standards. Know that this is minimum and not maximum standards. It does not prevent external debris from doing damage.

Tornados
Not only the center of the storm creates danger. This is common on the edge of the storm. Let's hope hurricane proof includes tornado proof.

These events can occur on land and sea before, during, and after the storm even if you are not in the direct path of the hurricane.

Before the hurricane tornado








I personally have seen more than two water spouts at a time, and tornados can do the same and all can double back.

Power loss. Food, Light, Heat, and all the other typical problems. Maybe security systems too. As for generators, good to have as long as they don't fail or get damaged from the elements. If they do fail, good luck finding an alternative.

Communication. Unless you have tin cans and a string you may lose two way communication.

Your phones and computers/tablets can lose connection. Generally, a land line will work, but even that can fail.

Your bank machine may not cooperate.


Even experienced storm chasers and first responders die.

There is something to be said when first responders are put in harm's way, and relieved from other duties in order to respond to those who could have taken the evacuation route.

Evacuating early gives you advantages for transportation, lodging, and organization. You'll likely get more rest, and you will be able to assess the problem from the outside before tackling the task at hand. Without possible injury, you will be healthier and, hopefully, mentally in better shape to address the cleanup.

Not evacuating is a gamble. It's a gamble with you and your family that need not happen. In this case the house always wins does not mean the structure will survive with you in it.

There are a multitude of reasons to evacuate. These were some.

I do not believe in telling anyone how they should face this or any other storm. I would encourage everyone to realize that Irma is not only the worst Hurricane to hit Florida, if could be the worst storm to hit North America! If that doesn't convince one to evacuate . . .

If you have no choice, but to hunker down, do like Richard Branson is doing on his Caribbean island. Build and stock a wine cellar . . . it may, hopefully not, be the last drink you'll ever have.

Stay safe however you meet Hurricanes.

FSB

You may get to live through these events many times giving one a false sense of security. You or yours only get to die once under the same or similar conditions. The Grim Reaper isn't fussy. YMMV

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Post subject: Re: Hurricane Tips, Help, and related.
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:44 pm
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It has just been reported that within hours Palm Beach will get a mandatory evacuation while West Palm Beach will remain, for the moment, voluntary evacuation.

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It should be noted that the track of the storm is one thing and the size is another.

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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:28 pm
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All good tips, FSB! My old bass player moved to Florida and just got this note from him in Punta Gorda :

"While on the surface everything is still normal (people are going about their business, mowing their lawns, swimming, golfing, etc.) most folks have been getting ready for Irma for the last few days. Irma is all you see on the news. We are as prepared as we can be. We have plenty of bottled water, have been making lots of extra ice, have a full tank of propane, and a full tank of gas in the car. I think losing power for an extended period is the main concern for most.



The major highways out of here are like parking lots. We know of people who drove out at 5 am this morning and turned back after driving 200 miles in 10 hours and nearly running out of gas. Except for the folks next door to us, all our neighbors are staying put. We’ve all connected this week and are ready to help each other if needed.



Some of you know that Sally I invested in making our house as hurricane resistant as we could last year. We replaced the windows with new high-impact windows, we had accordion shutters installed to cover our entire lanai and over the double front door. We had the roof trusses reinforced with clips and extra nails and we also had a new garage door installed. All these upgrades are rated to sustain CAT 5 hurricane winds which is higher than is required for this area. The upgrades also cut our house insurance by 50%. We’ll see how they do…

Right now, the weather models have Irma going quite a bit east of us. That puts our area on the “better” side of the hurricane. We are still in the hurricane cone, but our area is expecting tropical storm winds between 39 and 75 MPH and 3-4” of rain. Of course that can change between now and Sunday when Irma is supposed to land in Florida. If Irma keeps moving west, it will be much worse in Punta Gorda."

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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:06 pm
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I worked for several years at a large RV dealership that sold all forms of RVs and mobile homes.

There are a lot of advantages, the best being they are mobile, but not always.

A lot has been said on how to deal with RVs and storms. A lot has been said about destroyed RV parks too. I've seen aircraft wire secured to top corners and fastened at the ground, and some suggest filling water tanks after valves are closed. Sometimes, windows have stock covers, and others do not. I've had European trailers that have a different design. Airstreams are known for wind resistance, and each class of motorhome is different, and so on. Most of the precautions are for the unexpected and the manageable. Not for severe storms like a hurricane or tornado.

I have a relative that had dozens of lacerations and a body full of staples for recovery. It wasn't the surgeon's staples that were the problem. It was the staples, screws, and nails along with metal and wood that pummeled her as the trailer collapsed! A small tornado destroyed the lake site full of RVs that found her beneath a totalled trailer! Clearing away the debris that covered her (and others) was difficult to say the least.

My suggestion is to not be in an RV with severe storms such as a Hurricane. Your neighbour's RV may not play nice either. Yes, I know others have lived through such storms, but it doesn't lessen the risk IMHO.

You might find some related interest here:

RV's and Storms

Evacuating a mobile park


Storing the trailer


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Note: I also owned a motor home, and winter camped in remote areas. :wink:

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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:26 pm
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Miami Mike wrote:
All good tips, FSB! My old bass player moved to Florida and just got this note from him in Punta Gorda :

"While on the surface everything is still normal (people are going about their business, mowing their lawns, swimming, golfing, etc.) most folks have been getting ready for Irma for the last few days. Irma is all you see on the news. We are as prepared as we can be. We have plenty of bottled water, have been making lots of extra ice, have a full tank of propane, and a full tank of gas in the car. I think losing power for an extended period is the main concern for most.



The major highways out of here are like parking lots. We know of people who drove out at 5 am this morning and turned back after driving 200 miles in 10 hours and nearly running out of gas. Except for the folks next door to us, all our neighbors are staying put. We’ve all connected this week and are ready to help each other if needed.



Some of you know that Sally I invested in making our house as hurricane resistant as we could last year. We replaced the windows with new high-impact windows, we had accordion shutters installed to cover our entire lanai and over the double front door. We had the roof trusses reinforced with clips and extra nails and we also had a new garage door installed. All these upgrades are rated to sustain CAT 5 hurricane winds which is higher than is required for this area. The upgrades also cut our house insurance by 50%. We’ll see how they do…

Right now, the weather models have Irma going quite a bit east of us. That puts our area on the “better” side of the hurricane. We are still in the hurricane cone, but our area is expecting tropical storm winds between 39 and 75 MPH and 3-4” of rain. Of course that can change between now and Sunday when Irma is supposed to land in Florida. If Irma keeps moving west, it will be much worse in Punta Gorda."
Thanks, Mike. I understand that a lot of this may be common knowledge to the experienced, and to those well connected with media. I'm just hoping that those who have little knowledge of these things, or want answers without searching all over, or finds help in the future, will find some of that in one spot like here. If this helps one person, this thread will have done it's job.

It appears that you have done a great job preparing for Irma. Thanks, for filling us in on Punta Gorda and your friend's situation. If predictions turn out to be right, as you said, that would bring some relief. Still, take care of Sally and yourself.

Two Riders On The Storm. :wink:

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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:39 am
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Very true, FSB! To avoid any misunderstanding, the note was from my old bass player
friend and his wife, Sally.

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