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Post subject: Any Strat players out there use a Marshall code amp?
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:17 am
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Wondering.... Because I have a dated Peavey Bandit 112 and am looking for something more modern and versatile to go with my brand new American Pro Stratocaster. I am considering a mustang and using the Fender FUSE software as well. I can't decide. It seems the more reviews I read about modeling AMPS the more I am leaning towards a CODE AMP instead. There are plenty of other options as well, Line6, Peavey, Blackstar, VOX. They all have their pros and cons it seems.

I will most likely be using headphones most of the time anyway, but I have "giged" in the past and have done the garage band thing and might want to do that again in the future, but that is not for sure.

Any input/feedback will be appreciated! Thanks! :)

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Post subject: Re: Any Strat players out there use a Marshall code amp?
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:58 am
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If you pay $1400 for a guitar, and want to skimp on a cheap amp, you do yourself a disservice. The amp is half of your instrument. An expensive guitar with a cheap amp tends to sound worse than a cheap guitar with an expensive amp.
I'd return the guitar, buy a Mexican Strat, and put the money into a better amp.

But, since you're unlikely to follow this advice, my recommendation for cheap is to find a good analog solid state or hybrid amp instead of a digital modeling one. Pedals are far more versatile than built-in effects, and you don't lose details and introduce artifacts due to multiple conversions between analog and digital. Both Orange and Vox have decent analog SS and hybrid amps that don't cost a lot. The advantage with a hybrid is that you can still get harmonic break-up with a boost pedal.
And if money isn't an issue, and you're set on getting a modeling amp, there's Kemper.


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Post subject: Re: Any Strat players out there use a Marshall code amp?
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:11 am
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If you pay $1400 for a guitar, and want to skimp on a cheap amp, you do yourself a disservice. The amp is half of your instrument. An expensive guitar with a cheap amp tends to sound worse than a cheap guitar with an expensive amp.


+1000!

Quit jerkin' off and buy yourself a *REAL* amp. Learn how it best works with your guitar then start experimenting with the EQ settings to create the tones you want.

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Post subject: Re: Any Strat players out there use a Marshall code amp?
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:39 am
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Ok, I guess I should not have said that I would appreciate any feedback LOL. I hear what you are saying though, but there is no way I'll take my American Pro back and get a Mexican strat. I'll get a better amp first and use pedals. it's just a budget issue right now because I just bought my nice new guitar. I'll play it on my old amp and save some dough for a Marshall of higher quality than the CODE. Thanks. And I think I'll add that POSITIVE feedback is always better than tearing a new one out of a new member of the forum.

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Post subject: Re: Any Strat players out there use a Marshall code amp?
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:35 am
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I invite you to watch this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu_plv2CTEM Interesting results yes?

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Post subject: Re: Any Strat players out there use a Marshall code amp?
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:48 am
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You want sugary-sweet, go to Dunkin Donuts and buy a dozen bearclaws.

Keep your new guitar (it's a nice one) and use that Bandit 112. They sound pretty good with a couple of carefully-selected pedals.

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Post subject: Re: Any Strat players out there use a Marshall code amp?
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:23 pm
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While the Anderton's video was interesting, it doesn't really apply here because you already have significantly more invested in just your guitar than they did with their whole budget for guitar, amp and pedals.

In truth I don't really think that comparison was all that useful.
Not to me, anyway.
I don't have a budget low enough to be out of the realm of possibility for getting the good stuff.

Here's a thought for you.
Even if you believe there was some merit to the conclusions drawn by Chappers and the Cap'n, in essence that one can make up for the deficiencies of the other, then imagine how your rig might sound with a better amp, leaving you with fewer deficiencies.

:idea: :idea:

So many people figure there's nothing wrong with their amp.
It's perfectly fine, they just need better guitars and better pedals.
I have converted a number of those people by letting them play through a great amp.
There IS a difference.

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Post subject: Re: Any Strat players out there use a Marshall code amp?
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:31 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
Here's a thought for you.
Even if you believe there was some merit to the conclusions drawn by Chappers and the Cap'n, in essence that one can make up for the deficiencies of the other, then imagine how your rig might sound with a better amp, leaving you with fewer deficiencies.

:idea: :idea:

So many people figure there's nothing wrong with their amp.
It's perfectly fine, they just need better guitars and better pedals.
I have converted a number of those people by letting them play through a great amp.
There IS a difference.


Good point! Thanks for the help! :)

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Post subject: Re: Any Strat players out there use a Marshall code amp?
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:08 pm
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I have converted a number of those people by letting them play through a great amp.
There IS a difference.


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Post subject: Re: Any Strat players out there use a Marshall code amp?
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:33 pm
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Wondering.... Because I have a dated Peavey Bandit 112 and am looking for something more modern and versatile to go with my brand new American Pro Stratocaster. I am considering a mustang and using the Fender FUSE software as well. I can't decide. It seems the more reviews I read about modeling AMPS the more I am leaning towards a CODE AMP instead. There are plenty of other options as well, Line6, Peavey, Blackstar, VOX. They all have their pros and cons it seems.

I will most likely be using headphones most of the time anyway, but I have "giged" in the past and have done the garage band thing and might want to do that again in the future, but that is not for sure.

Any input/feedback will be appreciated! Thanks! :)


You are a mind reader DAM3D. I have been looking at those with the thought of trading up to a Pro.
My $00.2 ? Hold on for a Super Reverb it will be worth the wait. 8)

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Post subject: Re: Any Strat players out there use a Marshall code amp?
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:28 pm
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I will most likely be using headphones most of the time anyway, but I have "giged" in the past and have done the garage band thing and might want to do that again in the future, but that is not for sure

So you want something you can plug headphones into and maybe play in a garage band down the road, so a Super Reverb sound like a perfect fit, right? Hmm maybe not.

I haven't tried the Code series yet, but I have a Mustang III. "Old school" tube and solid state amps have their stronger points, and so do modeling amps.

The subject has been debated over and over on this forum. Nobody ever wins. And I wouldn't let anyone talk you out of anything here.

I'm really happy with my Mustang amp and I've used in some pretty big concerts. Ive also used it to play in a few orchestra pits and the flexibility just can't be beat for that application. External pedals are great (really!) but if you have limited floor space, sometimes it pays to keep it simple with a single floor controller. The Mustang does both extremely well.

None of the above takes away from what tube and traditional solid state amps do well. It depends on what you're going to use your amp for and what you want to spend to get that done.

Anyway, let me say this about the Marshall Code. It seems to be a Marshall-centric modeling amp that does some other amps pretty well too, whereas the Fender Mustang is a Fender-centric modeling amp that does some other amps pretty well too. Personally, I lean towards the Fender tones although I sure do like Marshalls too.

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Post subject: Re: Any Strat players out there use a Marshall code amp?
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:20 pm
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wow! Thank you Strings! :)

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Post subject: Re: Any Strat players out there use a Marshall code amp?
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:33 am
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Has anybody thought of rentals for that odd occasion you might want to get on board for that upgraded sound? It does happen in studios (and stages) unless the availability says otherwise. It sort of comes down to whether one would rather have the guitar and rent the amp or have the amp and rent the guitar. That is not to say ownership or collecting is not preferred; but, with advantages and disadvantages for both, exceptions are a choice or a need or GAS. Either would be a tough call for some, and yet easy for others. Decisions, decisions. YMMV

There now. Wasn't that easy? :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Any Strat players out there use a Marshall code amp?
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:39 pm
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I know I am the nay sayer here. Stand by for sacrilege ... Yes, I run through a Line 6 Spider III head through a 2x12 cab with vintage EVM 12L's. I only rarely use the Spyder's effects and none of its factory presets. That being said, that thing can get dialed in and provide great clean, dirty, and heavy tones. Yes, I really did use the word "great". And having presets that I can set up for different guitars and tone types is AWESOME. Hmmm ...now where did I leave that flame-retardant suit? I am only trying to point out that solid state is not as bad as some say. That is all. And I never played a Marshall Code amp so I offer no opinion on those. Just my $0.02 ... nothing more.

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Post subject: Re: Any Strat players out there use a Marshall code amp?
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:40 pm
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Actually, 01GT eibach you do bring up a good point often overlooked. It's not uncommon that different amps are chosen for different guitars. A separately chosen amp for a specific guitar can definitely be the optimal solution. Pretty much a no brainer there.

However, modeling amps, at least good ones, can often do double duty amongst different guitar requirements. They have the advantage of more options from which to reach that desirable amplification. Sort of a one amp for all (or at least a lot). We might agree that this is not always the case or a relative comparison; but, as 01GT eibach pointed out, this certainly can be the case. YMMV

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Someone once said that you can't make a Les Paul sound like a Strat; but, you can get a Strat to sound more like a Les Paul. Maybe yes, maybe no.

The same can be said of amps when comparing a standard amp versus a modeling amp. Exact? Probably not. Close? Definitely. Factoring in cost and improvements with technology the verdict may change. It's not there yet, but I wouldn't rule it out. I said the same about tubeless cameras, electronic drums, and samples.

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