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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:51 pm
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... that's not what Bluetooth is used for in this application. It's used to make tweaks to your presets. Add a little more reverb. Dial back the distortion. Those kind of edits. Do you make these changes during live performance with a footswitch?
Right you are. I do not tweak my effects while performing. Nobody else does either from what I have seen. I have seen people stop playing mid song to tweak something while other band members keep playing and watch with with furrowed brow as if to say, "WTF are you doing?"

Does that mean we are in agreement? That the BlueTooth features of this device are not for stage performance? That this feature will only be used during private practice?

I don't agree that the addition of one high-tech feature instantly converts an otherwise capable amp into a "toy".

Speaking to the durability of the Fender Mustang amp series, I've gigged my Mustang III v1 professionally for almost 4 years now and have not had any unexplained issues, even after a singer grabbed onto my amp to steady himself and knocked it off the amp stand. Or the time a musical director accidentally smashed one of those old-school mic stands (with the heavy round metal bottom) into the corner of the cabinet leaving a huge dent. In and out of the car, up and down stairs, it's been fine.

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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:36 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
I don't agree that the addition of one high-tech feature instantly converts an otherwise capable amp into a "toy".
With respect, that isn't what I asked.

BMW-KTM wrote:
Does that mean we are in agreement? That the BlueTooth features of this device are not for stage performance? That this feature will only be used during private practice?
Do we agree on this one single little point?



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I would appreciate it if some of our members would try to not think of me as some stooped over old codger with one foot in the grave, set in his ways and being a grumpy stick in the mud. I might be older than many of our people here but I am quite progressive regarding gear. I'm not an old school loyalist. I am a pragmatist. I've disagreed numerous times with a number of our members regarding new versus old. I try all kinds of new tech all the time but here's the important part .... I only keep what works. Unfortunately, that means I punt quite a bit of it. I have experience. I know what is useful and what is not. Much of the time, something new and techie is fun and interesting but ultimately useless to me as a performing guitarist. I still haven't had anyone say for certain what exactly this Bluetooth thing is actually for on these amps but if it's only for controlling the reverb level and such then it (the Bluetooth part) is a toy to me. If it's only for home use then it's dumb. When you are at home practising your amp is right there. I mean it's right there. Seriously. If you want to adjust it then adjust it. It's right there. If that's the only purpose of the Bluetooth feature then it's a fad, a novelty, a toy. It might be fun and interesting but it's still a toy.

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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:22 pm
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I would appreciate it if some of our members would try to not think of me as some stooped over old codger with one foot in the grave, set in his ways and being a grumpy stick in the mud. I might be older than many of our people here but I am quite progressive regarding gear. I'm not an old school loyalist. I am a pragmatist. I've disagreed numerous times with a number of our members regarding new versus old. I try all kinds of new tech all the time but here's the important part .... I only keep what works. Unfortunately, that means I punt quite a bit of it. I have experience. I know what is useful and what is not. Much of the time, something new and techie is fun and interesting but ultimately useless to me as a performing guitarist. I still haven't had anyone say for certain what exactly this Bluetooth thing is actually for on these amps but if it's only for controlling the reverb level and such then it (the Bluetooth part) is a toy to me. If it's only for home use then it's dumb. When you are at home practising your amp is right there. I mean it's right there. Seriously. If you want to adjust it then adjust it. It's right there. If that's the only purpose of the Bluetooth feature then it's a fad, a novelty, a toy. It might be fun and interesting but it's still a toy.


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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:49 pm
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Maybe it will be like those car indash stereo system upgrades that include a wireless remote control! As if the driver or passenger seats are too far from the dash to reach the system controls.... Any back seat passengers shouldn't be controlling the stereo system in the car anyway.

I can say from experience with the Mustangs I have, that there exist many more features available to control on the amp for any single Preset than what is accessible directly from the knobs and relatively small (business card sized) LCD display screen. Using the REMUDA App on my 12.2" and 8.4" Tablets and 5.5" Smartphone is a pleasure, and there are more instantly accessible controls for direct access. This regardless if I have REMUDA running on a wired USB Android device or wirelessly using Bluetooth. REMUDA's developer also posted recently here on the Forums in response to another user's thread that he is putting the final touches on a small device that will allow wireless connection to the Mustang Amps (via the USB jack). Such a dongle would be a great accessory to expand the usefulness of the Mustangs.

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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:29 pm
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... scary looking drive.
That wouldn't be a BAT BF, would it? That's the scariest looking drive I can think of.

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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:54 am
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As many of us know, there are times when a small active amp is on stage purposely hidden out of view behind stacks of cabs or other gear.

I suppose, but highly doubt, that a remote control could come in handy if needed, which most times it isn't. :wink:
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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:13 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
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I don't agree that the addition of one high-tech feature instantly converts an otherwise capable amp into a "toy".
With respect, that isn't what I asked.

no, it's what you stated. Repeatedly. :roll:
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So in other words, it's a toy. Just as long as we're clear about that. To be perfectly honest, that has been my exact impression each time I have played with one of them. They are toys. Not serious gear.

I'm afraid that's why you've come up against the attitudes you have encountered. Many of us here on this forum take our musicianship very seriously. Toy gear will be identified as such. It's a fact of life here.

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...Perhaps Fender have made the amp more usable in a real world setting.
If so I may reconsider my position.
If not, it remains a toy.
I completely understand that if a person has never actually played out (gigged) they may have a different view but to a musician who plays in front of people, it's not viable.
That makes it a toy.


I would love to hear a sample of your playing and tone to get some context here.

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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:28 am
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What does my playing and my tone have to do with Bluetooth?
And for the record, you still did not answer my question.
All you did was reassert your incorrect assumption of what my question regarded.


If you mean to make this personal you will find I don't play those games.

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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:25 am
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... scary looking drive.
That wouldn't be a BAT BF, would it? That's the scariest looking drive I can think of.

Heh, no. I love the looks of several of the Black Arts Toneworks pedals.
Mine is just a deep shade of violet on the sides and gets a scary outline glow whenever there are blacklights nearby, but don't have that awesome graphic :)


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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:50 am
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... scary looking drive.
That wouldn't be a BAT BF, would it? That's the scariest looking drive I can think of.

Heh, no. I love the looks of several of the Black Arts Toneworks pedals.
Mine is just a deep shade of violet on the sides and gets a scary outline glow whenever there are blacklights nearby, but don't have that awesome graphic :)
I see; interesting.

I bought an LSTR recently, it's amazing. I don't think I'll ever need another Muff variant . . . at least not until I eventually and inevitably cave in and buy a Pharaoh.

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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:35 pm
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I was in the city today and I had a couple of hours to kill.
I went into the north side L&M and the only Bluetooth amps I could find were made by Line-6.
Called Amplifi.
They stream music and allow iOS App control over the functions of the amp.
About what I expected after reading and participating in this thread.
Not surprisingly, the "T" word came to mind while looking over these amps.

I also briefly checked out the Mustangs. I will likely have to go back to my original comment. I am now almost certain my friend's amp was a III and not a II. It's been a few years but the III looked right and the II did not.

Of much, much, MUCH more interest to me was the surprising revelation that Line-6, the company who started the whole digital amp modelling thing in the first place has begun selling a line of amps with a digital preamp section and a ..... wait for it ..... tube power section.
They're called the DT line.
Huh. Go figure.
The amp company that gave us the catch-phrase TubeTone Technology finally figured out how to get true tube tone.
Imagine that.

Maybe I'm not the only one after all.

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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:31 pm
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The amp company that gave us the catch-phrase TubeTone Technology finally figured out how to get true tube tone.
Imagine that.


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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:25 pm
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. . . amps with a digital preamp section and a ..... wait for it ..... tube power section.

Good info there, Matt. Did you get to hear them?

That method could, with some adjustment, turn Mustang into a Stallion IMHO - as long as Fender doesn't open the gates and turn them out to pasture. That would be an opportunity missed. Perhaps, keeping the present Mustangs for their purpose and supplementing those with a group of digital/tube Mustangs could give Fender the top two best selling amps ever. The combination of a non tube preamp would probably be in a good price point position to boot.

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We're probably talking about substantially added weight again though.

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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:26 pm
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I don't know if it's just me, but have you noticed the more bells and whistles that you have with all of this modeling and programming, the less time you spend playing, but just messing with that stuff? I could spend an hour or more going through those menus, and not even play a single song, because I know I'll want to try every thing there, and then there's the option of even tweaking those options on top of that.

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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:32 pm
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No doubt you are right. Paul, about spending too much time tweaking and not enough playing. I plead guilty and yet I hope to reverse that sooner than later. This guilty indulgence comes with similar setups though, be it software or hardware. We've all seen the player having simple controls tweaked time and time again with he or she never appearing to be satisfied or consistent.

My career has seen some pretty high end gear thrown into service before the grasp of operation was adequate or complete. Sometimes it was tragic, and other times we lucked out. So for me, a lot of time was spent on the present learning curve and, only because I am not restricted by live performance, am I fortunate to learn the tools sufficiently before hand. Juggling with both the instrument and the the amp and its operational setup will be an even slower process IMHO when adequate knowledge beforehand is compromised. Playing and recording can also fall into this category (even more with digital and it's complete understanding). Of course, one can always roll the dice and luck out if preferred. I'm certainly not against the KISS method though, especially if the end result delivers what is desired. :wink:
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