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Post subject: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:10 am
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Anymore news on these new amps reported to launched next week?
I jumped the gun and bought a line 6 Amplifi 75 but looks like it's going back as it keeps dropping out with my iPad.
Still returning to my Mustang for practicing which is a pity as I love the functionality of the Amplifi and hope Fender has followed suit.
Contains full range speakers for music playback/play along
Finds online tones to match whatever song you are playing
On the fly search for community tones and demo
Full live editing
I like the fact I can play a backing track with saved tones from the comfort of my seat via a good iPad interface

If Fender have come close to this I will definitely be buying one...but when?


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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:30 am
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I have a small amount of experience with these kinds of devices.
That small amount was far too much.
I will leave it at that.

Don't waste your time.
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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:31 am
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Latency is an issue with all Bluetooth implementations. Some are better than others, but there is no way to get rid of the latency. That is okay for things like stereo systems, where a half second latency isn't going to kill you, or file transfers where throughput matters more than latency.


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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:42 am
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arth1 wrote:
Latency is an issue with all Bluetooth implementations. Some are better than others, but there is no way to get rid of the latency. That is okay for things like stereo systems, where a half second latency isn't going to kill you, or file transfers where throughput matters more than latency.


Latency is not the issue here!
Bluetooth us only used to control the amp tones etc not guitar sound. Yes it hopefully will stream music, like the line 6 kit, but makes no difference when playing along with it as guitar sound is live.
You are possibly referring to Bluetooth headphones which as I stated in a recent thread is still a no no until latency improves to no more than 10ms


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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:08 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
I have a small amount of experience with these kinds of devices.
That small amount was far too much.
I will leave it at that.

Don't waste your time.
My 2¢


+1000

Fender (and the other true gear companies) would be better served by catering to their core constituency and leaving such toys to the likes of Radio Shack, Sharp, Casio, etc.

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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:36 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
BMW-KTM wrote:
I have a small amount of experience with these kinds of devices.
That small amount was far too much.
I will leave it at that.

Don't waste your time.
My 2¢


I disagree completely, perhaps you're confusing what Bluetooth means in regard to these amps?
It's mostly about easy control over editing and recalling saved tones. I think the Amplifi is a great 'noodling' device. Forget the figures but Fender sells most of it's guitars to beginners, and most of them give up soon after purchase. Anything that can excite interest is good.

+1000

Fender (and the other true gear companies) would be better served by catering to their core constituency and leaving such toys to the likes of Radio Shack, Sharp, Casio, etc.

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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:50 pm
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pacemaker1000 wrote:
Fender sells most of it's guitars to beginners, and most of them give up soon after purchase. Anything that can excite interest is good.


It ain't necessarily so.
A gimmick will always be a gimmick, and Bluetooth connectivity for guitars is just that, a gimmick.
My son is 16 years old, and has come through some of the gimmicks.
His playing came on hugely when he stopped using the gimmicks, and started putting the hours into practising.
His playing came on hugely when I told him his timing was rubbish, and to practise with a metronome (I was a little bit more subtle than that getting it across to him).
His playing comes on when he interacts with other musicians, myself included.
What my son likes best is a good guitar, and a good amp, and a few decent effects units come in handy, but aren't essential.

As has always been the case, most beginners give up guitar soon after taking up playing it, because it demands dedication and application, two qualities that seem to be particularly lacking in today's quick hit society.

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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:19 pm
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stratmangler wrote:
A gimmick will always be a gimmick, and Bluetooth connectivity for guitars is just that, a gimmick.

Just to be clear, we are talking about amplifiers, not guitars.

What's wrong with having both bluetooth and non-bluetooth amps?

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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:29 pm
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stratmangler wrote:
pacemaker1000 wrote:
Fender sells most of it's guitars to beginners, and most of them give up soon after purchase. Anything that can excite interest is good.


It ain't necessarily so.
A gimmick will always be a gimmick, and Bluetooth connectivity for guitars is just that, a gimmick.
My son is 16 years old, and has come through some of the gimmicks.
His playing came on hugely when he stopped using the gimmicks, and started putting the hours into practising.
His playing came on hugely when I told him his timing was rubbish, and to practise with a metronome (I was a little bit more subtle than that getting it across to him).
His playing comes on when he interacts with other musicians, myself included.
What my son likes best is a good guitar, and a good amp, and a few decent effects units come in handy, but aren't essential.

As has always been the case, most beginners give up guitar soon after taking up playing it, because it demands dedication and application, two qualities that seem to be particularly lacking in today's quick hit society.


AMEN!

Preach it, brutha.

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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:47 pm
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I've just bought some quality speakers that are Bluetooth, WiFi, and/or wired. The advantage of the Bluetooth is convenience, the WiFi more restricted but 96khz/24 bit HD sound and apparently 192khz versions of the same speaker are or were available at last year's CES (I've seen the same, but they seem to have vanished for purchase). It could be that because 192khz basically provides a greater bandwidth with higher jitter, that is best left for special purposes where 96khz works well in the 20-20khz, is good with latency and minimal artifacts, etc. All of this is better than CD quality and has some qualities that are better than higher sampling, depending on the need.

Regardless, there are pluses and minuses to WiFi and Bluetooth with convenience chasing that old favourite of analog. By the way. I just heard that vinyl has had it's fastest 28% jump in sales ever. Be on the lookout for digital features (like remote programming) in a 45rpm $11,000 juke box (by Crosley) with an LP version to come along with a major return of vinyl recordings ramping up.

Maybe, there will be a guitar input or . . .

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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:49 pm
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When I made my post I meant no disrespect to WiFi or BlueTooth.
I use both every day.
What I meant is that my experience with guitar amplifiers that utilize BlueTooth is that they are poor quality BlueTooth speakers and at the same time they are poor quality guitar amplifiers with poor quality built in f/x.

I recommend the Bose Bluetooth systems if you want a BlueTooth speaker.
I have both the Mini as well as the larger version (the SoundLink, I think it's called?) and they're both pretty good sounding little boxes for streaming mp3s from your phone or computer.

On the other side if you want a guitar amp, then you should prolly buy a real guitar amp.
A device designed to stream music is not a good amp for playing guitar for the same reason guitarists don't normally plug into a mixing board.

On the other hand, if it really is a true guitar amp, with no streaming abilities, but the controls are adjusted via BlueTooth, it's still a dumb idea.
Even if by some magic it does happen to sound good, BlueTooth is not a viable means to control an amplfier's f/x.
You want foot control, not hand control, believe me.
In my view, BlueTooth has no rightful place on a guitar amplifier.
Perhaps, in the future, they might come up with some logical use for BlueTooth on a guitar amp but I highly doubt it.
I have two Eventide H9 boxes, and while both are most easily adjusted via iPad using BlueTooth it is nevertheless not a viable option while both of your hands are busy playing guitar.

It's only logical.

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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:27 am
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I hear ya, Matt. I too have similar ideas and uses for Bluetooth. Having said that, I can't help but think of how far wireless has gone on stage at major venues, although, Bluetooth it is not (AFAIK). However, wireless has a way to go, but it is in the present and future, and I have a belief it will stay and increase even more. Not so much in studio conditions though.

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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:52 am
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Another problem with Bluetooth is that it's a technology that doesn't stand still, and obsolescence is something you have to be prepared for. There are BT enabled car stereos out there that won't talk to the latest phones. (To say nothing about Minidisc or DAT. Or Token Ring networks.)

Meanwhile, several decades old amps still function today. The TS sockets and plugs are the same. But don't keep your hopes up that a BT amp bought today will work with the computers (or what we have then) ten years from now.

If you buy into consumerism, and replacing due to obsolescence and not because something wears out, and can live with the latency compared to foot switches, go right ahead. I much prefer something that is serviceable and built to last. Something I can depend on, not just right now, but down the road.


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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:56 am
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What I wouldn't have given to have quality wireless when I was a sprout wrapping big long cables strewn amongst press boxes and seating in stadiums and arenas. :wink:

I'm waiting for the first concert to be hacked. I am amazed that it hasn't already happened.


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Post subject: Re: New Bluetooth Amps!
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:29 am
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I'm waiting for the first concert to be hacked. I am amazed that it hasn't already happened.


Perhaps that's what befell Mariah Carey at her Times Square performance in NYC during the recent New Year's festivities.

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