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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:22 pm
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nope dont do it. This must be one of the friendliest open and all age appropriate web pages i've ever seen, it would all be lost with all hours posting. Would members acting as sub-moderators work or increase Brads workload? I personally think it would, members appealing against moderator decisions and all that junk. Do we need 24/7/52 access? not really, aside from a couple of real dilemma's i've read today nothing said here is really life alteringly important and most of its just opinion loosely based on fact.

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If it was just for me personally - I'd say it's a great idea to have week-ends too.

I really miss this forum when it's down, or closed. (I read alot more than I ever post)

However, since it's all up to Brad to look after the place, maintain it and moderate our bad posts when we (shall we say) "indulge" too much. I could understand completely if the hours were even less. Not that I would want that, but everyone needs some family time away from the computer, and "work".

So, either way is fine for me.

While the idea of have a substitute moderator, or several substitutes, to "watch the place" over the weekend could be appealing, having several moderators could be a negative too. More people trying to police and judge something brings more, and varied, personalties, with each ones own views of things into play - for better or for worse. (I think we all tend to think "our way" is really the best :wink: )

I like this forum, and having it available. It has become the best of several guitar forums - which says alot for Brads management of it. But then, I'm partial to Fender. I've always loved the Fender sound, and most anything Fender :) .


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nope dont do it. This must be one of the friendliest open and all age appropriate web pages i've ever seen, it would all be lost with all hours posting. Would members acting as sub-moderators work or increase Brads workload? I personally think it would, members appealing against moderator decisions and all that junk. Do we need 24/7/52 access? not really, aside from a couple of real dilemma's i've read today nothing said here is really life alteringly important and most of its just opinion loosely based on fact.

Its not broke, why try and fix it?


This thread is not about all hours access we are just asking for weekends to be open. From what I understand the forum would have the same hours they would just be open on weekends too. I think that the people on this forum are mature enough to handle weekends. There are some people that are on here so much that they would make perfect mods and they would be able to keep the forums clean.

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there are several people here from different timezones Mountain time usa is 15 hours behind some people, not me i hasten to add im only 6 or 7 hours infront of this forums opening hours. So my time here per day is quite limited as is the case for others. I fully appreciate that this forum has an intelegent adult minded population, the question i ask is would that continue to be the case should this forum be run more like other forums? The population of this forum grows all the time people come less people go i'm a new user myself. Im cautious i know, but this is a friendly welcoming web page, i'd hate to see it dragged down to the level of some other places. Postings here are usually to the point and concise check out the name calling on harmony central its pathetic, good advice there is ruined by idiots that i suspect dont even own guitars and spend most of the day playing online games. If networking is what people want dont ruin this place for it, theres myspace bebo and 1million other sites catering for that.

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There have been some good suggestions regarding weekend posting.

Namely, keep the same "open times" and don't let new users register on Saturday or Sunday.

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I belong to other boards that are open 24 hours, every day, and they don't have the problems people here are worrying about.

That's not to say those problems wouldn't happen here, but it's also to say that increasing the hours means those problems WILL occur. It's not a foregone conclusion.

On one of those boards I am a moderator, so I am privy to a lot of the behind scenes stuff that goes on. And while there are problems from time to time, it's more in the realm of the "problem" poster--which we've seen here as well.

I say give it a test drive. If the only reason, or the main reason anyone is opposed to weekends is that the boards would be filled with spam and inappropriate posts, I'd say you just might be over-reacting. Not doing something because somebody might be naughty is no way to live--let's give it a whirl and see if it's doable or if your fears are well grounded.

I understand your reluctance, but I respectfully disagree. Let's give it a try--if it doesn't work--well--we can say we tried it, and go back to how it is now.

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Going forward, I think there are risks, as mentioned, from things getting "out of control" and I'd really hate to see it bring Brad down and tired so much that this place would need to be shutdown.


You're in the midst of a major-league health concern and you're worried about me getting burnt out??! You're far too kind, my friend. :-)

No danger of me burning out, not to worry -- truthfully the forums actually constitute only a tiny percentage of my 'real' job at Fender and are one of the more enjoyable things I get to do here! Definitely a "pet project," if you will.

Besides, there's a certain wonderful device known as the BlackBerry which makes stuff like this a lot more feasible and less intrusive than it used to be in the "old days." We'll just all need to be proactive about using the soon-to-be-added 'Report Abuse' button when needed -- that'll be the key to success here.

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CAFeathers wrote:
While my vote can still go either way I will add this: Why don't we do a trial weekend or two with a limited schedule for Saturday to see how it works and then go from there. I would think something like 9-3, 12-6, or something similar would give a decent reading on how it would go.


Definitely not a bad thought, Chet!

I also was pondering the idea that was suggested earlier of allowing registration during business hours only -- though I'm trying to envision myself stumbling across a board that had that requirement. Might be a little off-putting? Not as off-putting as the board being closed altogether, though, I suppose. :-)

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I belong to other boards that are open 24 hours, every day, and they don't have the problems people here are worrying about.


With all due respect, though, how many users are registered on those boards? And are they corporate boards owned/operated by large, well-known companies? And are there e-mail campaigns sent to hundreds of thousands of individuals directing consumers to those boards? And are there publications in most major music retailers that indirectly lead consumers to those boards? Etc., etc. Not trying to downplay your argument here but this community is one of the fastest growing I've ever seen personally (if not THE fastest growing), and I think we're a far bigger target here than your standard fare.

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Would members acting as sub-moderators work or increase Brads workload? I personally think it would, members appealing against moderator decisions and all that junk.


Thank you for saying that! Not only are there some legal concerns there but you've also identified something most folks don't comprehend which is that there's actually somewhat of a benefit to running lean and mean. Given that this is a corporate forum I'm already thinking all actions through a factor of 10 times more than I would on a personal site -- but, having to debate corporate policy and recommended actions and whatnot with a fleet of mods and submods? Prior experience has shown me that such is the road to an incessant flurry of offline forum-related e-mails to deal with.

That said, just for the record the previous poster was correct that we are just talking about weekend access here and not 24/7 access.

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Thanks for listening to us Brad. I hope that we can give you the confidence needed to make this happen.

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zontar wrote:
Not doing something because somebody might be naughty is no way to live--let's give it a whirl and see if it's doable or if your fears are well grounded.

I understand your reluctance, but I respectfully disagree. Let's give it a try--if it doesn't work--well--we can say we tried it, and go back to how it is now.


thats a very good point Zontar after reconsideration i've changed my mind and think your right lets give it a whirl.

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Miami Mike wrote:
Going forward, I think there are risks, as mentioned, from things getting "out of control" and I'd really hate to see it bring Brad down and tired so much that this place would need to be shutdown.


You're in the midst of a major-league health concern and you're worried about me getting burnt out??! You're far too kind, my friend. :-)

No danger of me burning out, not to worry -- truthfully the forums actually constitute only a tiny percentage of my 'real' job at Fender and are one of the more enjoyable things I get to do here! Definitely a "pet project," if you will.

Besides, there's a certain wonderful device known as the Blackberry which makes stuff like this a lot more feasible and less intrusive than it used to be in the "old days." We'll just all need to be proactive about using the soon-to-be-added 'Report Abuse' button when needed -- that'll be the key to success here.


I'm just proud to be a member and would really miss this place if it did get to be too much for you, but I'm sure that you know your limits and it sounds like you've thought quite a bit about this and have most of the angles worked out. :wink:

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CAFeathers wrote:
While my vote can still go either way I will add this: Why don't we do a trial weekend or two with a limited schedule for Saturday to see how it works and then go from there. I would think something like 9-3, 12-6, or something similar would give a decent reading on how it would go.


This seems like the best way forward to me too. We get a test run that doesn't require Brad to be on call for 16 hours. I'm not sure the forum needs to be open 16 hours during the weekends anyway. 8 hours during the day would be plenty of time for everyone to check in. This way we avoid the peak stoner and drunk hours on Saturday nights. Even though it may seem strange, I do like the idea of registrations being closed on the weekends. That could help to avoid the drive by morons.

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Rasputan2 wrote:
If the forum were to be open on
weekends,,, how about just certain
hours,,, say (just an example) from
7am to 9pm... Just a thought...

Maybe try that for a weekend,,, and see
how that works out...

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