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Post subject: '65 Twin Reverb Reissue - Load Box Question
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:03 pm
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Hi. I have a Twin Reverb, and recently got a Hughes & Kettner Red Box 5 DI/Speaker Emulator. I'm running the external speaker jack on the Twin to the In jack on the Red Box, and the Red Box is connected to a M-Audio Profire 610 interface. I now want to get some sort of load box, so that I can "silence" my amp, for recording purposes. Any suggestions? I'm looking for something inexpensive. I'm also open to getting rid of the Red Box, for a unit that can do both tasks. But I've also been reading a bit about home-made dummy loads, wondering if that would work. Thanks!


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Post subject: Re: '65 Twin Reverb Reissue - Load Box Question
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:07 am
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Post subject: Re: '65 Twin Reverb Reissue - Load Box Question
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:42 am
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Why on earth would anybody pay twelve hundred bucks for a boat anchor like a Twin Reverb then not want to hear it while playing? If recording is your sole purpose, buy a Line 6 Pod or one of the Zoom pedals. They offer excellent amp simulations, can interface directly into a recording console, and weigh three or four pounds at best. Sell your Twin Reverb and use the money to buy a new iWhatever

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Post subject: Re: '65 Twin Reverb Reissue - Load Box Question
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:01 pm
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I just need something for the times that I record late at night (so as not to disturb anyone). That Weber looks interesting...I just looked it up. Does it kill your tone, particularly when you run a bunch of pedals through it?


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Post subject: Re: '65 Twin Reverb Reissue - Load Box Question
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:27 am
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JeffLeopard wrote:
Does it kill your tone, particularly when you run a bunch of pedals through it?


You can have answer yes or no for any attenuator, it is a matter of taste an ears.

A client test my Weber Mass Attenuator on a Ceriatone Overdrive special and like it. He found a deal for a Hot Plate and bought it. :lol:


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Post subject: Re: '65 Twin Reverb Reissue - Load Box Question
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:50 am
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An amp and attenuator is overkill for silent recording, and better results can be achieved much cheaper.
If you're using a bunch of pedals, get an amp simulator, like a Tech 21 Blonde or POD, decent headphones, and call it a day.
The more you turn down the amp with the attenuator, as in all the way down to "silent", the more the tone suffers, and the more you wear out the power tubes. At silent recording levels, you're also not getting any real sound from the speakers because you're not moving any air. Speaker simulation will be another feature of the amp sims.


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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:58 am
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evets618 wrote:
An amp and attenuator is overkill for silent recording, and better results can be achieved much cheaper.
If you're using a bunch of pedals, get an amp simulator, like a Tech 21 Blonde or POD, decent headphones, and call it a day.
The more you turn down the amp with the attenuator, as in all the way down to "silent", the more the tone suffers, and the more you wear out the power tubes. At silent recording levels, you're also not getting any real sound from the speakers because you're not moving any air. Speaker simulation will be another feature of the amp sims.


Forget it......he doesn't want to hear such heresy.

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Post subject: Re: '65 Twin Reverb Reissue - Load Box Question
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:10 am
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This is good stuff. I appreciate the insight, guys. I think I'm going to just try turning the amp volume down lower than usual at night, and record using the Red Box in conjunction with micing the amp. I'll just tweak the levels on the Red Box and amp until I find the sweet spot that's not too loud, while also sounding good for recording.


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Post subject: Re: '65 Twin Reverb Reissue - Load Box Question
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:33 pm
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You could also soundproof your room and crank that baby up. Naw! Just kidding, Jeff. Whether it's a direct recording to software (or other), a pedal that simulates, or doing the amp thing as you mentioned, it's your tone as only you will perceive it. So there's no wrong way, just better ways IMHO. Studios took a long time to convert to modern recording methods; but, the majority are now pretty much on board with old school still available when desired. (Heck! Even I put down electronic drums, drum machines, and sampled drums, because I thought cymbals sounded like trash cans. Well, they did. :wink: Times have changed my opinion. As with everything, however, there is still some simulated junk amongst the gems out there).

I too, however, go directly to the many options provided by software as suggested . . . but, not always. Pedals may come into play, and I still need to mike my drums through a mixer that can add or do without effects prior to recording. I can, however, use pre-recorded sampled percussion, etc.

The software or emulated gear method sometimes adds another layer of learning curve that individuals are willing to do or not do. It is definitely time consuming which cuts down on playing and recording. Also many of the features to be learned are fluff or time wasters with constant updates or repetition. For the most part the basics are easy. At other times, user friendly depends on the engineered philosophy as well as the end product. I know pros who sometimes scratch their head at the manuals' explanation and such. Generally, it works out - or the products would not have a following.

No matter which method is used, there are advantages and disadvantages. And yes . . . tape is still used on those rare occasions as is direct to disc. I would try the more modern route to see if that works for you. You can always go back to the amp/mic approach. As for your '65 Twin RR, you can send it my way since many would say you don't need it. :lol:
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