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Post subject: Metronomes
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:19 pm
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Folks,

I play a fair bit of folk music too, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. What I'm looking for is a metronome that can handle fast staccato rhythms, and that is accurate, i.e. a quartz or pendulum synced one, and not a phone app that yields CPU time to whatever else needs it.

Most metronomes only go to 208 bpm, which is way too slow for some of the rhythms I want to improve. A typical example is the Scottish 12345678 rhythm. Another is Flamenco. Yeah, I can set the metronome to only play every eighth beat in largo, but that defeats the purpose of practicing the rhythms.

When I have my daw running, it's no problem, as I just set up a drum pattern. But sometimes there's no computers around.

So, what do you people use?


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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:50 pm
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I count off and then tap my foot
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Post subject: Re: Metronomes
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:11 am
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Solid Body Love Songs wrote:
I count off and then tap my foot
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So do I, but my foot isn't all that precise, and tends to slow down as I run low on ankle juice. :)

I envy those who have a perfect sense of rhythm and can do a 3-beat with one hand and a 4-beat with the other, without even trying hard. Who can pick up after a syncope with exactly the same beat as before. Natural born drummers.
I'd keep one in my practice room if I could, but metronomes are lower maintenance.


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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:47 am
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Boss makes a couple (DB-x series) that might work for you.

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Post subject: Re: Metronomes
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:56 pm
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arth1 wrote:
Solid Body Love Songs wrote:
I count off and then tap my foot
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So do I, but my foot isn't all that precise, and tends to slow down as I run low on ankle juice. :)

I envy those who have a perfect sense of rhythm and can do a 3-beat with one hand and a 4-beat with the other, without even trying hard. Who can pick up after a syncope with exactly the same beat as before. Natural born drummers.
I'd keep one in my practice room if I could, but metronomes are lower maintenance.


I almost forgot about ankle juice. Have to get a flask for the gig bag :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Metronomes
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:45 pm
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What do you use for mix?

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Post subject: Re: Metronomes
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:51 am
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That is a trade secret 8)

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Post subject: Re: Metronomes
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:13 am
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Considered a mobile phone app'?
I use Strobesoft on my phone. It's really handy, I've always got a tuner on me.

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Post subject: Re: Metronomes
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:15 am
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Personally, I use a drummer. Old, archaic and inaccurate. But I need to do something to keep him busy or he'll just wander off and get himself stuck in a hedge or something

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Post subject: Re: Metronomes
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:58 am
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nikininja wrote:
Considered a mobile phone app'?

Yep, that's covered by "and that is accurate, i.e. a quartz or pendulum synced one, and not a phone app that yields CPU time to whatever else needs it."

On Android, the audio chain is "best effort", and all metronome programs I have tried can get severely out of sync (like tenths of seconds or more) when something higher priority happens in the background. At high tempos, that makes them pretty bad, especially when things like virus scans happen. iOS might be better?

I'm not expecting midi clock sync on a phone, but it would be nice to have some way of designating an app as realtime, and allow it to handle the interrupts without getting interrupted themselves.

My Wittner quartz metronome is reliable as a rock, but also can't do more than 208 bpm and plain beats. (And volume adjustment is through scotch tape.) I wish ze Germans would come out with one that goes twice that, cause quality wise and ease of operation, it's just awesome. Everything should be built like that.

I'll give the Boss ones a try, but they seem rather big and complicated in comparison.
Yeah, a good drummer is best. But most won't fit in the guitar or fiddle case...


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Post subject: Re: Metronomes
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:12 am
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This reminds me of the "Choose my fuzz box ... no not that one. Not that one either." thread. Should the metronome have "hair"? :roll: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Metronomes
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:57 am
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Since I am a drummer I don't need a case (maybe a case worker, but that's another story).

As for keeping a beat, I don't trust myself :? so at times I'll use the keyboard's metronome.

Of course, the option is my foot since I pretty much have that worked out.

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Post subject: Re: Metronomes
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:47 pm
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I just figured out how to turn off background apps on IOS and am addicted to it now. It's saving my battery life no end.
Maybe worth researching that and trying the accuracy thing out again.

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Post subject: Re: Metronomes
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:20 pm
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arth1 wrote:
On Android, the audio chain is "best effort", and all metronome programs I have tried can get severely out of sync (like tenths of seconds or more) when something higher priority happens in the background. At high tempos, that makes them pretty bad, especially when things like virus scans happen. iOS might be better?


iOS is nothing like Android in the prosumer audio area. The things you describe simply don't happen on iOS; there is baked-in support for realtime audio processing using the same techniques that are used for baked-in realtime audio processing on a Mac. This is why there is a thriving prosumer audio HW and SW market for iOS and almost none for Android. You might look into, say, a used iPod Touch as a starting point to investigate iOS audio apps and see what you think.


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Post subject: Re: Metronomes
Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:04 am
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I'm in the "I use my foot or drummer" camp...for the most part, metronomes always just irritated the bejeezes out of me. Sometimes I'll use a basic click track on a drum machine for recording...typically I'll set something up in Propellerhead's ReDrum for that, but somehow I suspect that's not what you're looking for.


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