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Post subject: Re: 5 Dallas LEO's Murdered
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:12 pm
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Screamin Armadillo wrote:
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The Dallas killer didn't just wake up one day and decide to kill cops and whites.
There's a long history of unconstitutional conduct by police towards blacks (AND others) that has gone unchecked. Once cops establish precedent on blacks, it then happens to whites (as I know personally)
More and more of it is making the airwaves and online via videos and reporting.
Does the just-us system rectify the wrongs? Nope.
then this happens



I understand, I empathize and I wish those things weren't true (unfortunately, the behavior or some people within the legal and law enforcement system casts doubt on everyone in that system).
However, by this cretin shooting at (and killing) policemen, he has done more harm to his cause than anything else. He was so filled with hate that he cut off his own nose to spite his face.

...and as frustrating as your situation is, making a murderous massacre the response to official misconduct is unfathomable and pure evil.

This is about liberty.....not just for myself.
Our government is not being held to the same laws we are, and they will not give up this power easily.
You call it evil if you want. The English colonists became tired of British troops kicking in their doors without cause, and took up arms. They did'nt consider it "evil".
If change is spurred then I'm happy.
It ain't happening any other way...in fact, it's gotten worse.


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Post subject: Re: 5 Dallas LEO's Murdered
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:52 pm
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01GT eibach wrote:
Look, I am not a anti-gun nut, but here is where I think things have gone awry...
1) I do not think it was a good idea to make the AR-15 legal (a semiautomatic version of the M-16 war machine);
2) I don't see the purpose of large-capacity magazines;
3) "Smart guns" (those that can only be shot by their owner via fingerprint, etc.) should be available to purchase for those who want them. They don't need to be mandated for all guns, but should be available. The fact that they are not available because the NRA is afraid they will be made mandatory is stupid.
4) Thorough background checks should be mandatory, closing the private sale and gun-show loopholes.

I am not saying my ideas would have changed Dallas or Sandy Hook, but it could not have made it worse...

I believe the whole purpose of the 2nd amendment is for the citizenry to be at least on par with our government should we have to assert our rights.. If the government uses AR-15's, I want them too.


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Post subject: Re: 5 Dallas LEO's Murdered
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:23 pm
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ckmckool wrote:
If the government uses AR-15's, I want them too.


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Post subject: Re: 5 Dallas LEO's Murdered
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:18 am
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strings10927 wrote:
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If the government uses AR-15's, I want them too.



If the government front line hit squad (police) decide to use stealth bombers against citizens, rest assured citizens who value freedom will acquire weapons to counter.
You can stay in bed though.


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Post subject: Re: 5 Dallas LEO's Murdered
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:15 am
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God help us the day someone gives ckmckool the keys to a steal bomber. :shock: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: 5 Dallas LEO's Murdered
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:31 am
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strings10927 wrote:
God help us the day someone gives ckmckool the keys to a steal bomber. :shock: :lol:

God help us the day we trust strings with the US constitution.
Live Free or Die..........or stay in bed under the covers.


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Post subject: Re: 5 Dallas LEO's Murdered
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:40 am
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ckmckool wrote:
strings10927 wrote:
God help us the day someone gives ckmckool the keys to a steal bomber. :shock: :lol:

God help us the day we trust strings with the US constitution.
Live Free or Die..........or stay in bed under the covers.


On that note....

God help us put an end to this thread.

For what it's worth, this may be the right time to be having such a discusion. I just don't think it needs to take place in this particular forum. It has deviated way too far from what the op may have intended it to be, based on his/her Muhammad Ali reference.

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Post subject: Re: 5 Dallas LEO's Murdered
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:28 am
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God help us if music becomes political.
I remember the 60's.....


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Post subject: Re: 5 Dallas LEO's Murdered
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:45 am
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A difficult subject with no easy, pat, answer to be sure.

But much of what the Public knows is information (or misinformation) which has been overly-sensationalized by the Press, Politicians and Community Leaders, all to benefit their various agendum (Ratings, Votes, Money, Support and Media attention).

It is generally agreed that nationwide (incl. Puerto Rico and US Virgin Islands) there have been approx. 400 fatal Officer Involved Shootings (OIS) per year over the past 12 years. It is also accepted that 25% (or approx. 100) of these were Blacks while the other 300 were White, Hispanic, Asian and others.

So, first off, Whites are being shot and killed many more times than Blacks.

Of all these, an avg. of 75% were justifiable shootings - criminals in the commission of a Felony, Officers returning Fire and People brandishing weapons, etc.

So, at worse, there are about 25 unjustified fatal shootings of Blacks by Police (of all Races) in an average year nationwide vs. 75 unjustified fatal shootings of Whites by Police.

Some may be honest mistakes (hey... they happen), some may be based on prejudice or imbalanced cops which is wrong and needs correction.

But the public response has been waay out of proportion to the size of the problem !!

From the FBI's own Uniform Crime Reporting statistics (UCR) we see, despite a generally held belief to the contrary, that Guns are not responsible for the majority of Homicides in the US:

Data reported in 2011 indicated a 0.8-percent increase in the estimated volume of violent crime from the 2000 estimate, or an estimated 1.4 million violent crimes. However, the rate of violent crime (504.4 offenses per 100,000 inhabitants) decreased 0.4 percent from the 2010 data.

Personal weapons, such as hands, fists, and feet, were used in 31.1 percent of homicides. Firearms were involved in 26.2 percent of homicides, and knives and other cutting instruments in 14.9 percent. Other dangerous weapons were used in 27.8 percent of homicides reported in 2011.

So, Guns and the availability of them, is not the dominant factor.

Further, of 2,491 total reported murders of Black Males under the age of 30 in the US in 2013, 189 were murdered by Whites, 20 were murdered by Hispanics or Asians, 37 were murdered by unknown assailants and 2,245 were murdered by other Black Males under 30.

The greatest danger to a Black Male under the age of 30 today is not Law Enforcement, it is another Black Male under 30 !!

Where is the Political, Media and Public outrage over this ??

If I were a Black Male under 30, fear of a rogue Cop would certainly not top my list !!

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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:18 am
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Lightnin MN wrote:
The greatest danger to a Black Male under the age of 30 today is not Law Enforcement, it is another Black Male under 30 !!

Where is the Political, Media and Public outrage over this ??

If I were a Black Male under 30, fear of a rogue Cop would certainly not top my list !!


+1000!

You might also mention the 245,000 Americans who died last year as a direct result of medical malpractice, misdiagnosis, and/or proscribed treatment at the hands of a doctor, nurse, or other health-care provider. I don't know how the demographics for those fatalities break down but it's a foregone conclusion that many of them were minorities of one persuasion or another.

Bottom line?

You're more likely to be killed by your own doctor than shot by a rogue cop.

And that goes for everyone regardless of race.

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Post subject: Re: 5 Dallas LEO's Murdered
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:13 pm
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My major beef is not simply cops killing citizens alone....(although knowing they can easily get away with it for illicit reasons is a real problem), my problem is everything ELSE they can easily get away with doing (just by using the correct buzz words) -thanks to our rigged justice system.
When one of you have cops (on order from a DA) kick down your door when you're not home, seize innocent property and knowingly/falsley claim it was used in someone else's crime (in order to fit their narrative and obtain a false connection to that someone else), and thus DRAG you into a looong court ordeal, I can assure you that many of you would want to kill an official for such blatant abuse of their qualified immunity.
Do cops who pull this crap deserve death?
Yep. They are traitors to our constitution and are worse than an actual criminal...because they are supposed to UPHOLD the law, not break it for a friend in their circle.
They don't call it the just-us system for shits and giggles.


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Post subject: Re: 5 Dallas LEO's Murdered
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:04 pm
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ckmckool wrote:
God help us if music becomes political.
I remember the 60's.....


My last political song! :)

On topic for this thread!

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Post subject: Re: 5 Dallas LEO's Murdered
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:56 am
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ckmckool wrote:
My major beef is not simply cops killing citizens alone....my problem is everything ELSE they can easily get away with doing.....thanks to our rigged justice system.

I'm don't like illegal search and seizure, but I also don't think some cop (probably not the same guy that busted your door down) should be killed over it. It must be quite a scene when someone cuts in front of you at the supermarket. :shock:

As far as the recent stories about cops killing citizens, let me say this: I'm the LAST person to defend law enforcement when they are out of line. IMO, the whole police organization is corrupt from top to bottom. BUT they've played this game for a long time and they are usually smart enough to be careful.

I've watched every one of these videos where someone "innocent" gets shot. They usually start in the middle of the incident so you don't know what happened before the video was taken. And it's usually a video of the guy saying "I didn't do nothin! I didn't do nothin!" while struggling to pull away from the officer.

I was taught that you DO NOT resist a police officer in any way. If he grabs your wrist, let him have it. If you pull away, you are resisting. If he tells you to sit over there, you sit over there. If you feel the officer is wrong or breaking the law, let it happen! You will have your revenge in court. Or maybe you won't but at least your family will get to see you again.

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Post subject: Re: 5 Dallas LEO's Murdered
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:43 am
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strings10927 wrote:
ckmckool wrote:
My major beef is not simply cops killing citizens alone....my problem is everything ELSE they can easily get away with doing.....thanks to our rigged justice system.

I'm don't like illegal search and seizure, but I also don't think some cop (probably not the same guy that busted your door down) should be killed over it. It must be quite a scene when someone cuts in front of you at the supermarket. :shock:

As far as the recent stories about cops killing citizens, let me say this: I'm the LAST person to defend law enforcement when they are out of line. IMO, the whole police organization is corrupt from top to bottom. BUT they've played this game for a long time and they are usually smart enough to be careful.

I've watched every one of these videos where someone "innocent" gets shot. They usually start in the middle of the incident so you don't know what happened before the video was taken. And it's usually a video of the guy saying "I didn't do nothin! I didn't do nothin!" while struggling to pull away from the officer.

I was taught that you DO NOT resist a police officer in any way. If he grabs your wrist, let him have it. If you pull away, you are resisting. If he tells you to sit over there, you sit over there. If you feel the officer is wrong or breaking the law, let it happen! You will have your revenge in court. Or maybe you won't but at least your family will get to see you again.


I guess it boils down to how much one values liberty.
The American colonists certainly did when the British police forces (soldiers) behaved exactly as the police today do.


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Post subject: Re: 5 Dallas LEO's Murdered
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:37 am
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The last time I had a bad run-in with cops was related to me working on my "art photography" in a sketchy place. Swarmed by cops, the (white) sadist started insisting I empty all my pockets. I resisted. He started to get physical. I quoted a public defender friend of mine telling me never to submit to an illegal search. I stood my ground, but things got ugly. The (black) "good cop" pulled me aside, said, "If you don't have anything, just make it easier on everyone and turn your pockets out." The sadist cop pulled out the handcuffs, said, "Ok, you can empty your pockets now or down at the police station." I needed to get back to work so I complied. Yeah, great system. :(

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