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Post subject: Led Zeppelin acquitted of copyright infringement......
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:34 pm
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Kudos......once in while the legal system actually gets it right!

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Post subject: Re: Led Zeppelin acquitted of copyright infringement......
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:47 pm
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Money talks and people that show their art for free only help the useless bastards with more money. John Lee Hooker, Muddy Waters, Freddy King, Albert King, B.B. King, Otis Clay, Otis Rush, James Cotton, Johnny Otis... there are too many artists that have been plagiarized to list.

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Post subject: Re: Led Zeppelin acquitted of copyright infringement......
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:28 pm
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Plagiarism sucks. So does the fact that non-original ownership or creation more often than not gives copyright to those who didn't earn it. The song Happy Birthday is on the trading roster? Give me a break. Does God Save Our Gracious Queen give Lizzie royalties? I don't know. :lol: Maybe someday the very mention of a name will give royalties and stretch to generations. In some ways it already does. :shock: Difficult rules and regulations are intentionally evasive and a plague to decifer and work with. Statute of limitations need to be rediscovered for the lifetime of the original composer or, perhaps, 50 years for others. IMHO. This should be a workable solution without gilding the lily.

Unintentional similar compositions take hits for the wrong reasons. The way music works it is not impossible for a musician to unknowingly replicate some of that which has come before or for a credited owner to have done the same. Blatant disregard under a guise of ignorance is another matter. In the world of art, paintings by the Masters shared compositions devised by each other without the cherry pickers such as we have today. Those paintings reach into the millions, and there is seldom so much as a whisper of plagiarism in legal terms. Even their originality is open to question (yet we claim originality with music all the time). Countries have similar Space Shuttles, and cars are similar all by design and practicality.

There is legal and there is wrong, and sometimes they do not work together. Such is the way of the world.

I have long been a music history buff and I am well aware that the industry (although not all) tragically deceived and forced individuals and groups to hide their identities when moonlighting to earn a living, and I know that royalties were not monitored or rightfully given, amongst other things. I and many others I know and do not know have been paid to create without an ongoing income from the works. That was and is a typical agreement. I have personally seen the entertainment industry become rich from theft of creativity, and yet they are quick to act in the opposite direction sometimes without justification.

I agree with SBLS that the boys with the money have an upper hand, and they are very very good at playing the game.

Ownership of music? In show business it is often said "There is nothing new", just rehashed. :wink:
As for the Zep verdict, I believe there was fear in setting a legal precedent wrong or right.

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Post subject: Re: Led Zeppelin acquitted of copyright infringement......
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:44 am
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Countries have similar Space Shuttles, and cars are similar all by design and practicality

here's a particularly amusing example:

National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) Logo vs National Aerospace Development Administration (NADA) Logo:

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They absolutely made the right decision about Stairway'.

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Post subject: Re: Led Zeppelin acquitted of copyright infringement......
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:53 am
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I'm glad it ended this way.

all they had was the descending root over the minor, how many times has THAT been used before?


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Post subject: Re: Led Zeppelin acquitted of copyright infringement......
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:19 am
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I did hear certain similarities in the progression, Just the same
as G D Em C whicha has been used countless times. Just something acoustic
players might play around with the difference is the genius Jimmy Page took
that common concept and advanced it to another level then Plant
added masterful lyrics all creativity credit should be given to them

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Post subject: Re: Led Zeppelin acquitted of copyright infringement......
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:46 am
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Much Ado About Nothing... to plagiarize... err... that is... quote the Bard of Avon...

Maybe they stole it, maybe they didn't... We can't know what was zooming through Page & Plant's heads when they were working out the Tune.

They may have even unknowingly drawn from a forgotten memory of when they were playing w/ Spirit.

Whatever the Court decided and despite any possible Cash settlement, Stairway to Heaven has always been, and will forever be attributed to Led Zepplin PERIOD !!

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Post subject: Re: Led Zeppelin acquitted of copyright infringement......
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:53 am
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Which ever way this ultimately concludes, I'm glad I saw Spirit perform "Taurus" in 1968. Another amazing creation from the late, the great, Randy California (RIP).

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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:05 am
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Which ever way this ultimately concludes, I'm glad I saw Spirit perform "Taurus" in 1968. Another amazing creation from the late, the great, Randy California (RIP).


PFFFFFT!

"Taurus" was a yawn.

But "Uncle Jack"......now that was some serious guitar genius!

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Post subject: Re: Led Zeppelin acquitted of copyright infringement......
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:01 pm
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Mr. Nylon wrote:
Which ever way this ultimately concludes, I'm glad I saw Spirit perform "Taurus" in 1968. Another amazing creation from the late, the great, Randy California (RIP).


PFFFFFT!

"Taurus" was a yawn.

But "Uncle Jack"......now that was some serious guitar genius!

Arjay


"Uncle Jack" is one of my favorite Spirit songs. When I saw Spirit in 1968, they ended with "Uncle Jack", and did an encore with "Mechanical World". "Taurus" did sound good live though.

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Post subject: Re: Led Zeppelin acquitted of copyright infringement......
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:13 pm
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Countries have similar Space Shuttles, and cars are similar all by design and practicality

here's a particularly amusing example:

National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) Logo vs National Aerospace Development Administration (NADA) Logo:

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They absolutely made the right decision about Stairway'.
Nice followup strings10927

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Post subject: Re: Led Zeppelin acquitted of copyright infringement......
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:50 am
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Unintentional similar compositions take hits for the wrong reasons. The way music works it is not impossible for a musician to unknowingly replicate some of that which has come before or for a credited owner to have done the same. Blatant disregard under a guise of ignorance is another matter.

I agree. I tend to think that Stairway to Heaven was heavily influenced by Taurus, but likely not intentional. A fair deal would have been if Spirit raised the issue back then and got some royalty compensation. To ask for money more than 40 years later after knowing how much of a success Stairway to Heaven became is despicable greed and deserved to be struck down.


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Post subject: Re: Led Zeppelin acquitted of copyright infringement......
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:32 pm
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Certainly there are stylistic similarities--but that shouldn't be considered plagiarism, or most people who have ever written a song are in trouble.

they are different songs.

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Post subject: Re: Led Zeppelin acquitted of copyright infringement......
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:17 pm
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Interesting development with the lawyer that tried to sue them: http://ultimateclassicrock.com/stairway ... suspended/

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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:22 am
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Someone said the Taurus intro sounded more like the beginning of Johnny Rivers' "Summer Rain". Having heard Summer Rain yesterday for the first time in quite a while, I have to agree. Both came out in '68.


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