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Post subject: Re: Worst Shooting in USA's History
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:00 pm
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i hate to see innocent people die like this.....but if i recall my history Wounded Knee was the worst shooting in american history. look it up. the media is always trying to control the public's perception and keep us turned against one another. i'm an armed citizen but my real weapon is my guitar.
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Having seen that battle ground, I too was thinking that; but I was also contemplating the similarities and the differences, and the fact that I choose to wimp out and not go down that path. However, good observations bluesdudet1d and great post Arjay.

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Post subject: Re: Worst Shooting in USA's History
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:41 am
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bluesdudet1d wrote:
i hate to see innocent people die like this.....but if i recall my history Wounded Knee was the worst shooting in american history. look it up. the media is always trying to control the public's perception and keep us turned against one another. i'm an armed citizen but my real weapon is my guitar.

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Post subject: Re: Worst Shooting in USA's History
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:19 pm
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This has been around but re-posting for a musician friend who was shot to death:


Today I went to my local gun store (US Guns, 9063 SW Barbur Blvd.) to ask about AR-15 guns. I didn't go in to berate, but to try to understand why a store would sell such weapons. The two young guys in the store were understandably jittery but tried to answer my questions.

ME: I'm trying to learn more about the AR-15 and why an ordinary citizen would want one. I already know that the AR does not stand for "assault rifle" or "automatic rifle" but for ArmaLite, the company that developed it.

CLERK at US Guns: Most people use them to shoot cans and stuff.

ME: You'd have to be a very bad shot to need that kind of gun to shoot cans. I did just fine with my BB gun and my dad's 30-06 deer hunting rifle. I didn't need 45 rounds per minute.

CLERK #2: They are good for shooting coyotes and ground hogs because those little suckers really move fast.

ME: It seems that the AR rifles are nearly all you have here, except for the hand guns.

CLERK: Yes, they are our most popular.

ME: But surely everyone isn't buying them to hunt coyotes, ground hogs, and tin cans.

CLERK #2: They are good for wild pigs in Texas. They're a real problem in some parts there.

ME: But we don't have wild pigs in Portland. Why do people in Portland buy these types of guns?

CLERK: Well, some are for protecting their families and property.

ME: Protecting them from whom?

CLERK: I don't know, that's just what they say.

ME: Have you ever had someone you love killed by a gun, and I don't mean while hunting rabbits?

CLERK: No

ME: I have. You are young, and the older you get the more likely you are to lose a loved one. Whether you think they are killed by a gun or a person you will discover they are dead. What would happen if you stopped selling AR rifles?

BOTH CLERKS: We'd be out of business.

ME: So it's about the money.

CLERK: Yeah.

ME: I ask you to reconsider and to stop selling these guns. Thank you.

And I left. But wait, there's more:

Part II
As I headed to my car I was approached by a guy who was in the store and followed me out.

GUY: They are lying. They sell the guns to people to protect themselves when "they" come?

ME: Who is "they," zombies?

GUY: Yeah, that and all the others who might try to steal your food after an earthquake or take your guns or imprison your family members.

ME: Is that something that really concerns you?

GUY: Yeah, with the way the country has been going the last 7 years. . .
ME: You mean since we got a black president?

GUY: Well, not just that but look at all the Muslims and immigrants streaming across the border to get us. I have six ARs, and plenty of ammunition.

ME: But you can only shoot one gun at a time.

GUY: But I bet I feel lots safer than you do.

ME: No, I'm not afraid of hoards of zombies, Blacks, Mexicans, or Muslims coming after me and my family. I'm more afraid of going out dancing, or to church, or the movies, or school.

GUY: Nah, those are pretty safe places.

I drove away proud that I hadn't screamed at anyone, but just asked questions, hoping I would learn something. I did, and it made me cry a bit as I drove home.

I thought of my friend John, a husband and father, who was depressed about school and couldn't buy beer in Utah because it was Sunday, so he bought a gun and shot himself.

I thought of my daughter, who wanted to clean the carpets but was turned away because she was wasn't old enough to rent a Rug Doctor. But she was old enough to have bought a gun if she wanted.

There is something very wrong here and the only way it will get fixed is if we all get off our butts and do something about it. Everyone start by finding your neighborhood gun store and go in and ask questions. Challenge them a bit to think about it and to come clean with the real reasons for these guns. It has nothing to do with the Second Amendment. It has to do with the money they make from paranoid people, made even more paranoid by the NRA. We all have a gun story. Tell them your story and ask them to stop selling AR guns. They probably won't, but you will have made them think about it.

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Post subject: Re: Worst Shooting in USA's History
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:43 pm
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The "ME" seems to be one of those it-can't-happen-here sheeple who never heard of the carnage during the Rodney King riots when business folks and shopkeepers fought for their lives while protecting their property because LAPD's chief was too cowardly to do his duty and order his officers to enforce the law.

WHEN SECONDS COUNT, THE COPS ARE ONLY MINUTES AWAY.

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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:09 pm
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Mike, I live in Chicago. The worlds homicide per capita at the city level make me a miracle to be alive. Please don't talk about death and guns. If you plan on getting off of your butt around here you'd better be heavily packed and loaded for bear. You might want to let your friend know that.

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Post subject: Re: Worst Shooting in USA's History
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:33 pm
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I only own a couple pistols, but am seriously considering getting an ar15 because of this:
Our 2nd amendment rights are based upon the citizenry being able to defend itself against....a tryanical government. The 2nd amendment is PRIMARILY about keeping a corrupt government in check.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:53 pm
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Solid Body Love Songs wrote:
Mike, I live in Chicago. The worlds homicide per capita at the city level make me a miracle to be alive. Please don't talk about death and guns. If you plan on getting off of your butt around here you'd better be heavily packed and loaded for bear. You might want to let your friend know that.


He was shot and killed. Didn't even have time to use his EXTAR EXP-556 AR-15 Pistol. Unloading gear
from a gig and when loading van, a drive-by shooting in New Jersey.

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Post subject: Re: Worst Shooting in USA's History
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:07 pm
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Post subject: Re: Worst Shooting in USA's History
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:42 pm
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Miami Mike wrote:
Solid Body Love Songs wrote:
Mike, I live in Chicago. The worlds homicide per capita at the city level make me a miracle to be alive. Please don't talk about death and guns. If you plan on getting off of your butt around here you'd better be heavily packed and loaded for bear. You might want to let your friend know that.


He was shot and killed. Didn't even have time to use his EXTAR EXP-556 AR-15 Pistol. Unloading gear
from a gig and when loading van, a drive-by shooting in New Jersey.


I am sorry for your loss Mike.

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Post subject: Re: Worst Shooting in USA's History
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:19 pm
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it's bad for friends or relatives to be lost to violence but if not that it will be something else to cause them or us to die. be ready, be aware. i can't carry my weapons places i have to go but i do carry a combat folding knife. if someone jumps me i have training and knowledge of how to defend myself. i won't be able to stop the random "spray and pray" shooter if a bullet has my name on it then that's a wrap. if someone gets in arms length and is making trouble my weapon won't run out of bullets(knife,fists and knowledge). luck favors the prepared. all this talk about banning makes me think of how stupid it would be for me to say ban alcohol and accelerator pedals and pills cause my mom died from alcoholism, a cousin OD'ed and another cousin drank too much and went too fast. get my point? i quote a "shooter"(military guys will get the reference) friend of mine, " they might ban the ar-15 but they will never take it". i'll shut up now.


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Post subject: Re: Worst Shooting in USA's History
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:53 pm
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bluesdudet1d wrote:
...if someone gets in arms length and is making trouble my weapon won't run out of bullets.


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As G. Gordon Liddy is wont to say, "a knife is always loaded."

Criminals will always have guns......the most heinous of them have armies.

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Post subject: Re: Worst Shooting in USA's History
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:55 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
bluesdudet1d wrote:
...if someone gets in arms length and is making trouble my weapon won't run out of bullets.


+1

As G. Gordon Liddy is wont to say, "a knife is always loaded."

Criminals will always have guns......the most heinous of them have armies.

Arjay

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Post subject: Re: Worst Shooting in USA's History
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:35 am
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Miami Mike wrote:

GUY: Yeah, that and all the others who might try to steal your food after an earthquake or take your guns or imprison your family members.

It has nothing to do with the Second Amendment. It has to do with the money they make from paranoid people, made even more paranoid by the NRA. We all have a gun story. Tell them your story and ask them to stop selling AR guns. They probably won't, but you will have made them think about it.


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My ex best friend is a "patriot". He trains for the day he can start shooting his fellow American's because they don't think like him. He raises a flag, then talks about how the government is his enemy. I'm sure he justifies it all the way the Pulse shooter did. Same strokes, different folks.

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Post subject: Re: Worst Shooting in USA's History
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:46 am
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That shoot-up is a tragedy, no doubt about that.

I'm glad I don't live in a gun cultured country.


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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:57 am
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I'm glad I don't live in a gun cultured country.

Well, you certainly don't need guns to kill people. Just ask a Beothuk. :wink:

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