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Post subject: Worst Shooting in USA's History
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:22 am
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Tragically, at this moment there are 50 dead, and 53 injured from a shooting at the LGBT Pulse Nightclub in downtown Orlando. They are looking at a possible hate crime and possible, yet not confirmed, terrorist act from an ISIS sympathizer with an assault rifle. A nearby officer on duty rushed to the scene as the gunman proceeded to take hostages. Backup officers quickly saved more than 30 people. The active shooter is reported to have been killed. A State of Emergency has been requested. Obama will be speaking shortly.

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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:00 am
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It's been a rough past few nights in Orlando!

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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:25 pm
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Gosh, you would have thought the major news networks would have reported this. Thanks for posting.


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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:17 pm
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Thoughts and prayers for the victims and their families

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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:01 pm
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Minnesotastrats wrote:
Gosh, you would have thought the major news networks would have reported this. Thanks for posting.
I can't speak for local broadcasters who have, in the past, been the link to the major networks. Many have been reduced to rip and read, and/or remote control audio and video from another location. On a network level, politics often delays coverage until the big money reporters bring their image to the screen after the jockeying for position has been established. For some, it does take time to set up coverage, especially when stretched resources are engaged in other topics such as elections, and other cases.

The other day I was notified that Canada's publicly owned national broadcaster (known for their technical and quality coverage) is shifting their resources and attention from TV and radio to be more socially involved with the Net. This is the trend elsewhere, and TV coverage, and radio to some extent, will likely continue to be compromised or changed as we know it today.

Suffice to say that it is why I posted this as soon as I heard about the situation. It does bring questions as to how vigilance and information is to be disseminated efficiently. I'll leave the details to others.

Until then, stay safe my American sisters, brothers, and neighbours to the south.

May peace and reason be the answer today and always.

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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:36 pm
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:50 pm
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Minnesotastrats wrote:
Gosh, you would have thought the major news networks would have reported this. Thanks for posting.
I can't speak for local broadcasters who have, in the past, been the link to the major networks. Many have been reduced to rip and read, and/or remote control audio and video from another location. On a network level, politics often delays coverage until the big money reporters bring their image to the screen after the jockeying for position has been established. For some, it does take time to set up coverage, especially when stretched resources are engaged in other topics such as elections, and other cases.

The other day I was notified that Canada's publicly owned national broadcaster (known for their technical and quality coverage) is shifting their resources and attention from TV and radio to be more socially involved with the Net. This is the trend elsewhere, and TV coverage, and radio to some extent, will likely continue to be compromised or changed as we know it today.

Suffice to say that it is why I posted this as soon as I heard about the situation. It does bring questions as to how vigilance and information is to be disseminated efficiently. I'll leave the details to others.

Until then, stay safe my American sisters, brothers, and neighbours to the south.

May peace and reason be the answer today and always.

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An insightful post FSB, thanks.

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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:43 pm
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An insightful post FSB, thanks.
No thanks required, but you are surely welcome. Thanks, back at ya my friend. :D
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Post subject: Re: Worst Shooting in USA's History
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:35 pm
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no words can express what happened.
hatred and ignorance, a fatal combination, those ISIS fucks use a religion to manipulate people, and screw things around for non extremists who take collateral damage just for believing their god.
ISIS's hatred and ignorance is creating more hatred and ignorance against Muslim people, even though i'm an atheist, the least thing i bother with are people's religion, but hearing folks say that all muslims are terrorists, a menace, it just breaks my heart, and having people be so weak minded to be controlled by a crime organization into killing others just because of their beliefs/sexual orientation leaves me shattered.
because of some fucktards like ISIS everybody ends up paying the price, and leaves nothing but hatred, fear, pain.

when will we learn to live like civilized human beings that respect all religions and preferences, where doesn't matter if you're christian, $@!, muslim, !@$, straight, where you're the only thing that matters, not where you're from, who you worship or who you have sex with, and not blow each other up on a daily basis?


i hope i'm still around when it happens.

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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:58 pm
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Tragic, i think it's a last wake up call that America have to stop their deadly obsession with guns


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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:09 pm
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maroonandgreysweater wrote:
Tragic, i think it's a last wake up call that America have to stop their deadly obsession with guns


If nothing else it's a wake-up call for me to ignore retards who would deny me the rights bestowed by my creator and codified by the Constitution of the United States Of America.

GFY!

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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:11 pm
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maroonandgreysweater wrote:
Tragic, i think it's a last wake up call that America have to stop their deadly obsession with guns


As an Australian, you might want to leave this one alone...This was an Islamic Terrorist who was bent on destruction of the worse kind and disarming innocent gun owners will not stop these acts. I am being nice about this but your opinion on the matter is irrelevant. If you can't state your empathy for the people killed, just leave it alone.

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Post subject: Re: Worst Shooting in USA's History
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:18 pm
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Condolences to the victims families.

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Post subject: Re: Worst Shooting in USA's History
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:18 am
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I'll try not to start a flaming discussion here on gun ownership. Arguments over drugs would be easier to resolve; however, as someone who still recalls the addictive smell of gunpowder and appreciates the unforgettable senses of obturation, learned to shoot with organized NRA/DCRA membership at 10 years of age, held a military trade responsible for use of small arms, held membership in the Wildlife Association, had no use of Canadian rifles or pistols, but had access to the plethora of European and American weapons, and am not tied to a dated constitutional right, and live in a major Big and Small game hunting and trapping country, I think I've earned a place for this, and, because I would not want to see or hear of any further or worse event that brings harm to you and yours. I truly believe some relief is at hands reach. Still, I respect those who find difficulty with this and sometimes, as in business and politics, although not always, an outside look can often offer a different perspective.

First, USA's deadliest shooting (and most major shootings globally including those in France, Canada, and the States) used one of, if not the deadliest type of rifle, unnecessary clips, and cartridges that have no place in general deployment. Coincidence? I doubt it.

It's not the privlege that I find fault with, it's the choice and availability of the over the counter chosen weapons that are like an atom bomb at a bull fight. Having shot automatic assault guns, I find no reason to have them or any other assault weapon in public circulation. They are designed and meant for one thing- Assault. They are in short a tweaked killing machine! That in and of itself leads to questioning. IMHO. Of course, for pleasure, a secure gun club or range may come in handy; although, there is always a risk of multiple theft as seen in Armories and bases. Better that assault rifles don't exist for public consumption in this case. Also, one should not think of this being just America's problem because these assault weapons cross borders. I do know that some owners are also responsible legal sellers and profits will be affected. Alternatives are available and, besides, a new market will develop. :D
Arguments that it's the shooter and not the gun won't convince me that these type of guns have little chance of finding their way to target more innocent victims, and all the legitimate lock ups won't change that. We, thankfully, don't do away with all dogs because some bite; but, given the same characteristics and potential, we don't make exceptions just because someone thinks their dog is better than the reality. As for handling the other guns, I know and respect sensible ownership, and proper guidance. One can only hope this sad incident will improve matters with a compromise for both parties.

I have always had a sour taste for the media's lack of concern in that they don't practice loose lips sink ships policy. Too much information and details are broadcast about weapons and methods of these killers. Today criminal and weapon specifics have more coverage, some good and some bad, and there is no lack of repetitive broadcasts and print. That is often irresponsible and needless because the audience can do the groundwork for discovery themselves need be. Some things are not in the viewers' best interest, and journalism ethics and practices have changed with reckless and thoughtless transparency overdose. Competition rules.

Those who tragically gave their lives to live in the country they chose deserve some consideration, and others have personal reasons, and, for the time being, I know that most gun owners follow the laws as they are, so I ask that we consider this accordingly with respect on both sides. Thanks. We all know changes will come, when, how, how much, and why is for another time and place, however. I hope this perspective reminds one to think of the latest tragedy and thoughts for the victims, families, and friends. YMMV.

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Post subject: Re: Worst Shooting in USA's History
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:45 am
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maroonandgreysweater wrote:
Tragic, i think it's a last wake up call that America have to stop their deadly obsession with guns


If nothing else it's a wake-up call for me to ignore retards who would deny me the rights bestowed by my creator and codified by the Constitution of the United States Of America.

GFY!

Arjay


+1000

I also believe using ignorance to explain the problem is giving them a pass. If you can't admit the problem you can't fix the problem, and the problem is evil, pure and simple.

To say ignorance is the problem is to imply education can correct things, it can not. Sensitivity training would not have helped Adolph Hitler, or Joseph Stalin. Evil has to be confronted and destroyed.

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