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Post subject: Fender Daughter Blues
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:08 pm
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So a few years ago, during the Easter holiday. I finish work early. get home, walking up the path. I hear plunka plunka. And a load of really good singing.
Get in, #1 (eldest) daughter has picked up some wreck guitar I leave lying around the house and in a couple of weeks taught herself to sing and play a couple of Oasis songs.
I'm so chuffed I give her my 2004 anni deluxe.

last year #2 daughter wants to learn violin. She's great at it. Her music tutor at school burst into tears when she told him she was taking music as a subject to graduate high school (GCSE).
6 months ago she expressed an interest in guitar. I wasn't keen on the idea as fretting and hand position are very different. But I gave her my Baja tele.
Went and borrowed it off her earlier. Cos I'm having a few beers and jamming to the radio tonight. She hasn't looked after it. There's dents and chips on the back of the neck.
Any suggestions? I'm not going to take this guitar off her, I don't take back gifts.

PS for those that don't know me, I know how to fix it. :)

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Post subject: Re: Fender Daughter Blues
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:19 pm
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Congrats Niki ! Two musical daughters and one of them can relic a guitar !
I love it !

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Post subject: Re: Fender Daughter Blues
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:28 pm
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Congratulations on having two great daughters. Motivated and industrious. No suggestions. :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Fender Daughter Blues
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:30 am
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Get her a good stand and or a Guitar Wall Hanger
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Post subject: Re: Fender Daughter Blues
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:42 am
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Glad to hear it mate. Dents and things will always happen. As long as
it still plays well just let her do her thing.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Daughter Blues
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:48 am
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I'm kinda torn here.

On the one hand, as you said, you gave her the guitar, and it's hers to use as she sees fit--including (what sounds like) abuse.

On the other hand, there's no reason someone should abuse an instrument. I doubt she treated her violin in that manner.

I would (personally) do one of two things--

(1) ask her what happened to the guitar, and why it's been damaged. This gives her dignity and respect, and allows her to explain something that may not be completely her fault (a friend or schoolmate damaged it, she transported it without a case and didn't realize, etc.)

(2) The second option works better if she is the type of kid that responds only to dramatic gestures...take something special that she gave you, and ask her if it's OK if you break it or damage it. Being a teenage girl, she would probably get upset and/or angry as to why you would hurt the thing she gave you (you know the little gifts our kids give us--trinkets and doodads). Then ask her why she damaged the guitar and what happened to it.

I recently "permanently loaned" my old Ampeg Big Stud bass to the Armadillo Teen, with the understanding that I can borrow or use it anytime I want -and- she has to take care of it. Normal wear and tear is fine (and in the condition it's in--abused by a previous owner--a few little dings aren't going to be massively noticed.

Likewise, I made her pay for half of the price of the amp we bought for the bass (a Fender Rumble 150)...that way, she was financially invested (making her take better care of it), but had the same idea of me being able to use it when the need arose. She's already personalized the amp with a few stickers, but not done anything to damage it or the bass itself.

I told her if any of her friends decided to be stupid and refused to treat her stuff with respect she should (1) dump them as a friend for being a Turd Blossom, after (2) telling them that I would get after them, because the stuff partially belongs to me, too.

Thus far, she has treated each item with great care and has already told one teenage male friend that she would "damage his ability to walk, after which Daddy [me] would finish [him] off," if he didn't leave her bass alone.
I think he was more afraid of her than he was of me, because she said it so calmly and quietly, with a slight smile on her face. I love that kid--she's learned to be polite, yet not take any crap from anyone...I wish I had that skill at 14 years old.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Daughter Blues
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:20 am
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Miami Mike wrote:
Glad to hear it mate. Dents and things will always happen. As long as
it still plays well just let her do her thing.

Yup….scratches and dings will "always" happen on everything we use, cars, motorcycles, women, and guitars. Just happens.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Daughter Blues
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:05 pm
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Love, food and shelter that's all we can give them (the bus variety) in this case Nick, plenty of them on the streets, so one happens finds it's way "mysteriously" to bottom of your garden, as long as the bus drivers don't see it she'll have a good nights sleep, plus added bonus of Perspex, you can keep an eye for those couple of weeks at least.
Or set guitar stand traps around the house, a few scrapes and bruises all part of growing up eh. She'll eventually ask " what the $%££ are these things" and what are they doing all over the house.
Move house while she's at school.
Pad the whole house and everything in it .
Or just buy or make her a guitar stand, then tie wrap it to her while she's asleep


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Post subject: Re: Fender Daughter Blues
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:31 pm
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What a blessing to have those kids of yours, Niki. Wish I had some to join in with me. Didn't happen; but, fortunately, I lucked out having worked for years with talented kids that acted, played music and performed, and working amongst and for lots of children associated with charities like the Variety Club, and others. Then of course there are my relatives. In your case, the guitar gear has value, but those girls of yours are priceless. Oh, and one other thing, they are fortunate to have you and yours. Enjoy.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Daughter Blues
Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 8:23 am
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Some lads would pay a kings ransom for a relic finish. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Daughter Blues
Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:20 am
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I honestly can't be much help with this...I doubt I would have given either of them a "nice" instrument. Yea, when I was 4, my father bought me a 3/4 classical to start taking lessons with...it was an unclaimed repair with a neck that had been glued back on and Dad payed a whopping $25 for it. And sure, for one of my birthdays sometime in my late teens/early 20's Mom bought me a wah-wah pedal...and ya know, that was pretty much about it. Dad did pay for my lessons when I was a kid and later in my teens when I came back to guitar (which I am actually grateful for), but even at the wee age of 5 years old, if I wanted an electric...or any kind of nice guitar really, then I was supposed to go get a job delivering papers or mowing lawns etc.. If -I- wanted something like a guitar, I was expected to go out and earn my own money to get it.

Ok...ok...my wife did buy my first Strat for me back in '96, along with my Seagull S-6, but then I got her Djembe for her, her Sennheiser mic and a few other things, so somewhere I suspect that balances out in some rough sort of way. The point is...and this is, as always, just my own personal opinion...I would -NEVER- buy a "nice" guitar for a kid. I'd be perfectly happy to get them some $50 knock-off and get it playable for them, but the simple fact is that most kids just don't appreciate something like a musical instrument when it's simply given to them. Like Dad used to say, "You want a guitar? Go get yourself a job and buy whatever you like...".

I don't wish this to be sound crass, but if you gave the instrument to your kid...not really sure where you have any room to complain about how she treated it.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Daughter Blues
Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:41 pm
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If -I- wanted something like a guitar, I was expected to go out and earn my own money to get it.

...............which is probably the reason why music education experiences for children are initiated by motivated parents who are able to purchase a piano. Second best is music education in the public or private schools, or music schools, wherein a student chooses an instrument and pays a rental fee for its use.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Daughter Blues
Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 2:21 pm
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.... and one of them can relic a guitar !
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Daughter Blues
Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 3:10 pm
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ZZDoc wrote:
lomitus wrote:
If -I- wanted something like a guitar, I was expected to go out and earn my own money to get it.

...............which is probably the reason why music education experiences for children are initiated by motivated parents who are able to purchase a piano.



Yes...this is good. So little Johnny says he wants to learn piano...maybe he dug into Dad's old Warren Zevon albums or something. So what does this mean? Mom and Dad should rush out and dump $20,000 to $40,000 on a Steinway or perhaps a vintage Chickering parlor grand? And if that's the case, what does Mom and Dad do with the damn thing next week when little Johnny decides his true passion is actually football instead? After all, last week he wanted to be a fireman and the week before that he was gonna be an astronaut...right?

Or maybe....just maybe...Mom and Dad pick up a beat up old upright from the Goodwill for $50. Maybe a smart Mom and Dad might even scout Craigslist for a week or two and snag a free piano and once it's in the house, maybe they spend the difference to call the blind guy to come out and tune it. For that matter, maybe Mom and Dad just snag a beat up used Casio or Yamaha keyboard and let little Johnny plinkity-plink around on that for a few months to see -IF- he's really gonna be interested in it......at least after he gets his new Xbox.

Seems to me that's a matter of perspective, yes?


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Second best is music education in the public or private schools, or music schools, wherein a student chooses an instrument and pays a rental fee for its use.


Yep...ok...I'll give you that one. I had played cello in grade school for a bit and yes, my folks did rent the cello for me from a local shop. I had actually considered buying one of my own a few years back (actually I'd love to get an upright bass), but then I discovered the beauty of midi and recording samples, so anything I would want a cello for can now be done other ways. That said however one of the main reasons I quit when I was a kid was actually one of the big reasons I gave up guitar when I was a child.....I was never allowed to play the music -I- wanted to play.

The problem with such school music programs (public or private) is that it's the musical equivalent of military academy. You play -what- you are told, -how- you are told, -when- you are told. Accept in the rarest of cases, most do NOT encourage any form of individual self-expression (which from my point of view is the whole point of music to begin with) and I'm sorry, as I've said sooooooo many times in the past, you can only play "Little Brown Jug" or "When the Saints Go Marching In" just so many times before your freakin' head implodes.

What's worse is that I have, on occasion, tried to work with such "musicians"...people who were trained in grade school, high school, marching band, etc., and I have to say that as a contemporary musician, most of those people are complete rubbish if they don't have sheet music glued to their noses...because that is how they were "trained". I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but they're simply NOT musicians...they are computers...processors...robots. The music goes in their eyes and out thru their hands. There is NOTHING of their own hearts or souls involved and certainly little or no ear training. I tried working with a drummer like this once...if this person didn't have the sheet music or happen to have the song memorized, their hands did not move. Tried doing a couple of standards, like SRV's "Pride & Joy" and this person wasn't even able to comprehend that wow.....even Stevie Ray Vaughn seldom played it the same way twice. Tried doing Neil Young's "Hurricane" and yea...I kind of took off with the lead (sorry, but really FUN tune to play, LOL). About half way thru the 3rd verse, this person just stopped because they ran out of the sheet music in their head...wasn't even listening to what the rest of the band was doing. Measure for measure, beat for beat, this person played each and every tune the EXACT same way, every single time...if I really wanted to play like the record, I'd just listen to the stinkin' record.

I won't speak for others, but I certainly would NOT want my own children taught this way. For goodness sake, teach them how to play music, how to be original and how to express themselves....THEN you're on to something.

So again...seems to be a mater of perspective there.


....and just for the record, no...I never got my own piano until AFTER I had my own house with my own basement studio to put it in (which sadly, is staying with the house when we move here shortly...gonna miss that beastie). A beat up old blue latex Larson. In fact my wife dropped it on me as we were rolling it off the back of the pickup the day we brought it home. And yes, I payed a truly smokin' $50 for it at the Salvation Army.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Daughter Blues
Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 4:28 pm
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Then there's the parent who chooses the instrument for their child only to fulfill their own dream instead of the child's. The first music those parents should listen to is their children's voice IMO. A little guidance permitted of course.

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