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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:15 pm
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Worth !00 million and they (they = attorney next of kin) can't find his will. Red flag

Not everybody wants to set up a will. It can be quite hard emotionally, and it doesn't benefit the person who writes it. (I've chickened out on that myself.).

No prob-lem, bro!

http://info.legalzoom.com/probate-laws- ... 20733.html


So, I am supposed to believe that the youngest record producer (17 y/o) in popular music history, Grammy winner, Academy Award winner, at 25 y/o old. Multi-millionaire commercial real estate developer did not leave even a note saying goodbye. That makes about as much sense as somebody beating him to a pulp throwing him in that elevator and pushing the button Was OJ found on the property? He and Robert Kardashian had some experience with that type of mayhem in the 90's.

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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:45 pm
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Opioids are reported to have been found in Prince's home. As a pain prescription this would not be unusual. The possibly prescribed opioids are thought to be not necessarily a concern in this case; but, it is not a certainty at this time. Officials had stated Narcan, a drug to reverse opioids overdoses, was not administered on Prince's plane previous to his returning home from the hospital.

He is also rumoured to have complained of not sleeping for 154 hours! There is a possibility that sleeping medication such as Benzos, one of the most common medications used, and better than the more risky barbiturates, came to the rescue for Prince's sleep problems. There is some talk that adding benzodiazepine along with opioids can, especially if over prescribed, create a combination that can be deadly. In fact many of the deaths amongst celebrities, along with others, have been over prescribed and/or incorrectly combined medication. There is some question as to whether opioids and benzodiazepine should even be allowed together.

The opioid found in Prince's home is pretty much the only confirmed info at this time. How it and if it or any other medication or abuse relates with Prince's death is yet to be determined.

So for the time being it doesn't appear that intended abuse was likely. We'll have to wait and see. :wink:
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So long, Prince. The World had shown that you are missed.

Update: Another journalistic error without followup. General consensus is that Narcan was given to Prince on the unscheduled stop at Quad City airport, Moline, Illinois. Prescription opioids were also found on his body. Percocet is also mentioned.

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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:18 am
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"Benzos"!!

I never cease to be amazed at how the drug culture so cavalierly coins street language to describe agents those of us who were schooled and trained for years as to the proper and safe employment for their intended purposes, and licensed to do so.

Yes, someone such as myself knows how to safely employ the likes of Versed, Fentanyl, Propofol, Ketamine, etc. for sedation and general anesthesia and bring 'em back alive.

In the hands of a 'block of wood' at 36000 feet, or the likes of the physician who 'attended' to Michael Jackson, its a different outcome, isn't it.

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:35 am
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Sad...but this is the world we live in:

"What’s the easiest way to export an illegal drug? Export a slight variation of that drug.

STAT news reported April 25 that Chinese labs have created a new form of fentanyl, a powerful opioid, called furanyl fentanyl. This new iteration of the drug skirts Chinese export laws and isn’t on the US’s banned substances list—which means it’s technically legal to sell on the streets, with the same affects as the real the original drug.

“Laboratories are automatically tweaking the formula to come up with the next analog,” DEA spokesman Russell Baer Baer, told STAT. “We will seek to put furanyl fentanyl on the list (of controlled substances), and then they will tweak one molecule, and in two months we will be discussing that one. It is a challenging process for us.”

Last year, these synthetic drugs—as well as the compounds needed to make them—were “flooding” the US from Chinese labs. In October 2015, China prohibited the export of 116 synthetic drugs, some of which included other slightly modified versions of fentanyl.

Furanyl fentanyl is just the latest drug implicated in the American opioid epidemic, which killed almost 29,000 people in 2014.In some areas in the United States, the number of fentanyl overdoses have overtaken the number of heroin overdoses. Last week, a man in Illinois died from an overdose on furanyl fentanyl.

Doctors prescribe fentanyl as a powerful painkiller, ranging from 50 to 100 times stronger than morphine. In clinical settings, it’s typically only administered to patients with advanced cancer. Like other opioids, it can be incredibly addictive, and fatal if taken in large enough quantities. It suppresses the body’s ability to breath.

The US Drug Enforcement Administration trying to keep up with the latest modifications of the drug, but needs approval from the US Food and Drug Administration before it can put them on the banned substance lists. But as soon as one new form of the drug gets put on the list, laboratories find another way to alter it."

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:39 am
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Dr. Sanjay Gupta just reported that USA has 5% of the World's population, uses 80% of the World's pain killers, and every 19 minutes someone dies of accidental overdose. :shock:

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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:53 am
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Solid Body Love Songs wrote:
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Worth !00 million and they (they = attorney next of kin) can't find his will. Red flag

Not everybody wants to set up a will. It can be quite hard emotionally, and it doesn't benefit the person who writes it. (I've chickened out on that myself.).

No prob-lem, bro!

http://info.legalzoom.com/probate-laws- ... 20733.html



So, I am supposed to believe that the youngest record producer (17 y/o) in popular music history, Grammy winner, Academy Award winner, at 25 y/o old. Multi-millionaire commercial real estate developer did not leave even a note saying goodbye. That makes about as much sense as somebody beating him to a pulp throwing him in that elevator and pushing the button Was OJ found on the property? He and Robert Kardashian had some experience with that type of mayhem in the 90's.


+1 !!

Proper Estate Planning, establishment and maintenance of Trusts, etc. is an essential part of minimizing both current and long-term Tax liabilities and any Tax Professional would insist on this.

Perhaps not at age 17, but certainly in the ensuing 40 years as Prince's Estate grew to what it is today.

Unless Prince was Turbo-taxing his own returns (astronomically unlikely), this was surely done.

Methinks something is afoot and someone took a page from Janie Hendix's book... only time will tell.

So far as any substance abuse is concerned, nothing beyond rumor and speculation has yet come to light. But all the rumors do seem to be leading in one direction and IMHO lend credence to the words of my musician friend in New Orleans who spent two weeks at Paisley Park in early March and to whom I spoke 3 weeks ago (see 1st page of this thread).

This session work was to be for one week, but too many sessions were cancelled or the resulting tracks were so bad due to 'people' being too wasted to play, that he was forced to remain an extra week.

My friend had no axe to grind, Prince was still very much alive and expected to remain so. In fact, the whole subject came up indirectly. When we met, he simply stated that he was just in Minneapolis a few weeks before. It was only when I inquired how long he was there and why that he told me of his work at Paisley Park. The conversation then shifted to that and that's how he related his story to me.

My buddy is no stranger to seeing substance use in the Industry as he's been a professional musician for more than 30 years. He's played w/ many 'famous' musicians through the years and has had his own successful bands/groups. He'll be touring w/ Daryl Hall this summer so wants to maximize his time at home before the Tour starts. He has a family and so the extra week on the road in Minneapolis (due to too much Drugs and Women - is that oxymoronic..?? ;) ) was really an inconvenience.

Many Fans don't want to think of their Idol in this light and it's truly a shame to see such Talent silenced at such an early age, especially since this may have been avoided. But Price won't be the first to succumb to the trapping's of Wealth and Fame, nor will he be the last I fear...

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:39 am
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Methinks something is afoot and someone took a page from Janie Hendix's book... only time will tell.


I predict a world-class "charlie foxtrot" in very short order.

Stock up on popcorn......it's gonna be great show!

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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
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Doctors prescribe fentanyl as a powerful painkiller, ranging from 50 to 100 times stronger than morphine. In clinical settings, it’s typically only administered to patients with advanced cancer. Like other opioids, it can be incredibly addictive, and fatal if taken in large enough quantities. It suppresses the body’s ability to breath.

that's interesting, because I worked at a GI office for a couple of years and the standard anesthesia for Colonosopy and EGD was a combination of Fentanyl and Propofol. Is that overkill (pardon the pun)?

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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:27 am
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that's interesting, because I worked at a GI office for a couple of years and the standard anesthesia for Colonosopy and EGD was a combination of Fentanyl and Propofol. Is that overkill (pardon the pun)?

The dosage of the Fentanyl was probably titrated to produce mild relaxation. Versed, which is a 'benzo', and a gold standard medication for [MAC] monitored anesthesia care, is often used instead. The Propofol, actually a general anesthetic administered intravenously, can be titrated to keep a patient light, but unaware. It is NOT, in the wake of the Michael Jackson fiasco, a medication to induce sleep regardless of how 'refreshed' one seems to feel on emergence, General anesthesia and sleep are two complete different states and affect the brain quite differently. http://www.berkshirehealthsystems.org/m ... siacaremac

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That's exactly how they used Propofol. Good to have a doc around to 'splain this stuff. :idea:

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Dr. Sanjay Gupta just reported that USA has 5% of the World's population, uses 80% of the World's pain killers, and every 19 minutes someone dies of accidental overdose. :shock:

I wonder what the subgroups are under the overall classification of 'accidental overdose'. Often someone makes a buy of smack which was cut with some toxic crap. That's called an overdose when it was really murder.

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[quote="Miami Mike"]
STAT news reported April 25 that Chinese labs have created a new form of fentanyl, a powerful opioid, called furanyl fentanyl. This new iteration of the drug skirts Chinese export laws and isn’t on the US’s banned substances list—which means it’s technically legal to sell on the streets, with the same affects as the real the original drug. [/-quote]

Any pharmacological agent capable of either a full/partial binding to opoid receptors located in the in the 4 known anatomical sites where they exist could be classified a controlled substance.

Hence, you could stick a Swedish meatball to it but it would still be subject to the laws controlling its manufacture, distribution, sale and use.

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ZZDoc wrote:
I wonder what the subgroups are under the overall classification of 'accidental overdose'. Often someone makes a buy of smack which was cut with some toxic crap. That's called an overdose when it was really murder.


Interesting discussion.

Agree that there's a distinct difference between Pharmaceutical and Street grade substances.

Another significant difference is how they're administered. Clinically, many are administered by professionals assigned to monitor the patient, or dietary or fasting requirements are met.

Even these professionals have certain protocols they must follow when administering these.

Look at Michael Jackson's private physician, Dr. Conrad Murray. He administered the fatal dose(s) to Jocko and was found to be guilty of Homicide because of the way these were administered and that he failed to follow the established protocol in monitoring the patient. The autopsy report is an interesting read:

Michael Jackson's Autopsy Report

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.....just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water, eh?

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This discussion of opiates, opioids, and those who use/abuse them is quite enlightening but apparently all for naught because it's being reported now that Prince died of AIDS, not a drug overdose......

http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/04/28/pri ... diagnosis/

Warm up your keyboards, gents -- this ought to be good for another ten or twelve pages of speculative posts.

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