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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:41 am
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Heres a couple of lists:
http://www.projectknow.com/15-famous-he ... they-used/
http://drugabuse.com/30-famous-musician ... lcoholism/

And who knows how many more aren't publc knowledge.


These are certainly laundry lists of what not to do. The outcomes are generally disasterous. Our criteria for functioning optimally or exceeding well differ. The measure of these individuals are those which might collectively grouped into 'in spite of the fact' and are restricted to specific fields of endeavor . I doubt they could pass a test of reaction time under the influence. Hence ,they'd hardly be candidates for operating any sort of public conveyance.

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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:29 am
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It's said, if you want to be great, do smack.
I don't see it. I don't see any proof that those composers couldn't have written to the same standard without the crap.
Currently recovering from a substance abuse issue myself. Not heroin thankfully. I can promise you the poison I chose didn't make me play faster or improve my melodic ideas. Quite the opposite. I became repetitive and uninspired. As much as I despise Townsend as a person, he's on record saying similar.
The only results of heroin I've ever seen are destruction and pain. Mindless other-wordly zombies looking for stuff to steal. The only two people I think I've heard compose anything on smack that's worth listening to are Lou Reed and Dee Dee Ramone.

As for Prince, I honestly think he was too together to be a big time addict. Listening to him I certainly wouldn't say heroin. He seemed more of an uppers kind of fella to me. Maybe heart failure bought on from amphetamine, maybe.
Funnily enough I found out last year an old friend died. In his studio, packing away. Tripped over a lead, knocked himself unconscious. Puked and choked. No influences except coffee and doritos

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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:53 pm
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It's said, if you want to be great, do smack.
I don't see it. I don't see any proof that those composers couldn't have written to the same standard without the crap.
Currently recovering from a substance abuse issue myself. Not heroin thankfully. I can promise you the poison I chose didn't make me play faster or improve my melodic ideas. Quite the opposite. I became repetitive and uninspired. As much as I despise Townsend as a person, he's on record saying similar.
The only results of heroin I've ever seen are destruction and pain. Mindless other-wordly zombies looking for stuff to steal. The only two people I think I've heard compose anything on smack that's worth listening to are Lou Reed and Dee Dee Ramone.

As for Prince, I honestly think he was too together to be a big time addict. Listening to him I certainly wouldn't say heroin. He seemed more of an uppers kind of fella to me. Maybe heart failure bought on from amphetamine, maybe.
Funnily enough I found out last year an old friend died. In his studio, packing away. Tripped over a lead, knocked himself unconscious. Puked and choked. No influences except coffee and doritos


Thanks for coming back to life, bro. Good to have you and your contributions on board.

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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:02 pm
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Thanks Doc.
Saw your facebook post earlier about the sad loss of your old friend.
I can't comment on Facebook at the moment, I'm on a ban for upsetting Nazi's again.
Mate, you have my deepest condolences

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nikininja wrote:
Thanks Doc.
Saw your facebook post earlier about the sad loss of your old friend.
I can't comment on Facebook at the moment, I'm on a ban for upsetting Nazi's again.
Mate, you have my deepest condolences


Thanks for your kind thoughts. If you dream a new Facebook handle, let me know by email.

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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:32 pm
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I still say that there are those who actually perform better using opioids.
Not all....but many.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/04/24/dr ... s-25-years


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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:21 pm
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ckmckool wrote:
I still say that there are those who actually perform better using opioids.
Not all....but many.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/04/24/dr ... s-25-years


My personal feeling is that instead of creating or performing better on drugs, I think the correlation is that people who feel more deeply are more likely to be more creative and because of the struggles that go with feeling more deeply, comes the tendency to abuse or become addicted to drugs. I don't think it's the other way round -- not if any bloke goes out and starts taking drugs to become more creative, but that the more creative people tend to also be the more prone to becoming addicts.

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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:36 pm
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I don't think it's the other way round --...... but that the more creative people tend to also be the more prone to becoming addicts.

Now there's an interesting hypothesis. Given the definition of addiction included in an earlier post of mine, perhaps you can find hard data to further support your supposition that more creative individuals have a higher potentional for substance abuse and addiction.

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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:08 pm
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Here's a little more in depth part of that article::

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ction.html

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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:48 pm
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The Daily Fail is the UK equivalent of Fox News, the wonderful people that claimed Egypt to be just east of Israel.
Really I would take anything they say as being from bizzaro universe.
That rag has been an object of derision since their support of Oswald Mosley in the 1930's and support of nazi propaganda later that decade.

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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:49 pm
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ZZDoc wrote:
mh2000 wrote:
I don't think it's the other way round --...... but that the more creative people tend to also be the more prone to becoming addicts.

Now there's an interesting hypothesis. Given the definition of addiction included in an earlier post of mine, perhaps you can find hard data to further support your supposition that more creative individuals have a higher potentional for substance abuse and addiction.


This makes sense

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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:27 pm
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ckmckool wrote:
Here's a little more in depth part of that article::
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ction.html

I view the content of that article as doing nothing more than confirming how a gifted man, with a complex personality disorder, was able to precipitate himself into life long addiction facilitated by a total waste of a human being...a parasite who bloated himself on the needs of a victim, willingly, and selfishly contributed to the destruction of a lost soul wanting rescue. Instead of providing Prince with a life raft, he punched holes in it, watched it sink, and helped him drown. Any performer who needs that kind of a crutch to enable his work is in the wrong craft. You have to conquer your demons first, so as not to enable them to conquer you by facing the fact that there is a problem and it warrants attention.

Any wonder why Waters and Gilmour wrote 'Comfortably Numb'?

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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:29 pm
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If he has been cremated, no public showing for a beloved artist, a little concerned about red flags popping up now.
As far as I know successful drug dealers are private and don't give in depth interviews to police or their affiliates ie: news people. Why? because they wouldn't be successful anymore. I worked security in big night clubs around Chicago during college, I met everybody, and at the private clubs you had to go through me or one of my Brothers to get in. I repeat, successful drug dealers are private. I worry this might be kharma and reaffirms the old adage "do not talk to strangers".
That article (link) is bogus.

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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:44 pm
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ZZDoc wrote:
mh2000 wrote:
I don't think it's the other way round --...... but that the more creative people tend to also be the more prone to becoming addicts.

Now there's an interesting hypothesis. Given the definition of addiction included in an earlier post of mine, perhaps you can find hard data to further support your supposition that more creative individuals have a higher potentional for substance abuse and addiction.


Haha! I'm just drawing off personal experience! :)

I've spent my life as a slave to my unquenchable artistic drive and... ummm... struggled with many addictions along the way as well (though 25+ years sober!). Most of the artists (general sense) I have known, more often than not also struggled with different addictions. A coincidence? I don't know.

Honestly though, think about it... why would anyone devote so much of themselves to a creative drive that is very rarely rewarded? Sure, Prince was a bazillionaire when he died, but there are plenty of artists, musicians and writers who go through their whole careers with little compensation or sustained recognition... even Prince had to start out as a nobody with an unstoppable drive.

Prince came from a very F-ed up family situation. Was his drive for fame a recognition an outcome of needing to compensate for hurts that could never really heal? I don't know, but it could be. Looking for fame is a slippery $@!&#... as in the fans are not "people" in a human relationship sort of way and fame can distort your ability to have human relationships.

Anyway... just thoughts...

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Post subject: Re: Prince Is Dead
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:42 pm
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[quote="mh2000Haha! I'm just drawing off personal experience! :) [/quote]

I give 'Nikininja' the lead here. A charter member of the Forums, there's a history in greater depth which he's shared with some of us, briefly touched in his comments herein. He my barometer of the issues when it comes to what brings us together herein. As for other walks of life, I have other examples of self-destruction to reference.

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