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Post subject: Re: Brian Johnson fired from AC/DC
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:31 pm
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Post subject: Re: Brian Johnson fired from AC/DC
Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 12:45 pm
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arth1 wrote:

It's one metric, and valid, but it tells only a tiny part of the story.



Said exactly the same thing a while back after seeing the same article that picture is taken from. No one in this world can tell me Rose sounds better than Marvin Gaye or Aguilera sounds better than Tina Turner.
The tonal quality of roses horrible whiny voice is shocking. I've never been able to listen to GnR because of him. Despite liking quite a few of their songs. He sounds like a spoilt brat that needs stamping on

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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 6:32 pm
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nikininja wrote:
arth1 wrote:

It's one metric, and valid, but it tells only a tiny part of the story.



Said exactly the same thing a while back after seeing the same article that picture is taken from. No one in this world can tell me Rose sounds better than Marvin Gaye or Aguilera sounds better than Tina Turner.
The tonal quality of roses horrible whiny voice is shocking. I've never been able to listen to GnR because of him. Despite liking quite a few of their songs. He sounds like a spoilt brat that needs stamping on


Niki, I love your honesty and I agree with that opinion. I had a close encounter of the unpleasant kind with the brat at a Metallica concert. I expected Slash to be sensible about it but he just stood there, disappointing. Sometimes even when you want to like a talented person they mess it up by being careless people.

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Post subject: Re: Brian Johnson fired from AC/DC
Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:52 pm
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. . . Sometimes even when you want to like a talented person they mess it up by being careless people.
Nicely put. I couldn't have said it better or more eloquently, SBLS. I used to think those on the way up, especially close to stardom, were more likely to be the PITA. For the most part, I still hold that assumption. However, there are the few at the top that seem to fit the bill, and trump it in Spades with their fame and fortune. Fortunately, the good outweigh the bad. :D
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Post subject: Re: Brian Johnson fired from AC/DC
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:59 am
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Brian Johnson released a statement a few days ago:

As many AC/DC fans know, the remaining shows for the 2016 AC/DC Rock or Bust World Tour, including 10 postponed U.S. shows, are being rescheduled with a guest singer. I want personally to explain the reason because I don’t believe the earlier press releases sufficiently set out what I wanted to say to our fans or the way in which I thought it should be presented.

On March 7th, after a series of examinations by leading physicians in the field of hearing loss, I was advised that if I continue to perform at large venues, I risked total deafness. While I was horrified at the reality of the news that day, I had for a time become aware that my partial hearing loss was beginning to interfere with my performance on stage.

I was having difficulty hearing the guitars on stage and because I was not able to hear the other musicians clearly, I feared the quality of my performance could be compromised. In all honesty this was something I could not in good conscience allow. Our fans deserve my performance to be at the highest level, and if for any reason I can’t deliver that level of performance I will not disappoint our fans or embarrass the other members of AC/DC. I am not a quitter and I like to finish what I start, nevertheless, the doctors made it clear to me and my bandmates that I had no choice but to stop performing on stage for the remaining shows and possibly beyond. That was the darkest day of my professional life.

Since that day, I have had several consultations with my doctors and it appears that, for the near future, I will be unable to perform on stage at arena and stadium size venues where the sound levels are beyond my current tolerance, without the risk of substantial hearing loss and possibly total deafness. Until that time, I tried as best as I could to continue despite the pain and hearing loss but it all became too much to bear and too much to risk.

I am personally crushed by this development more than anyone could ever imagine. The emotional experience I feel now is worse than anything I have ever in my life felt before. Being part of AC/DC, making records and performing for the millions of devoted fans this past 36 years has been my life’s work. I cannot imagine going forward without being part of that, but for now I have no choice. The one thing for certain is that I will always be with AC/DC at every show in spirit, if not in person.

Most importantly, I feel terrible having to disappoint the fans who bought tickets for the canceled shows and who have steadfastly supported me and AC/DC these many years. Words cannot express my deep gratitude and heartfelt thanks not just for the recent outpouring to me personally of kind words and good wishes, but also for the years of loyal support of AC/DC. My thanks also go to Angus and Cliff for their support.

Finally, I wish to assure our fans that I am not retiring. My doctors have told me that I can continue to record in studios and I intend to do that. For the moment, my entire focus is to continue medical treatment to improve my hearing. I am hoping that in time my hearing will improve and allow me to return to live concert performances. While the outcome is uncertain, my attitude is optimistic. Only time will tell.

Once again, my sincere best wishes and thanks to everyone for their support and understanding.

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Post subject: Re: Brian Johnson fired from AC/DC
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:09 am
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nikininja wrote:
arth1 wrote:

It's one metric, and valid, but it tells only a tiny part of the story.

Said exactly the same thing a while back after seeing the same article that picture is taken from.

That's absolutely true, it doesn't tell the whole story. There's a reason he even made the list, and we're still talking about him 30 years after they were signed to a record label. I don't think there's any doubt Axl has rock & roll pipes, and he was a great "frontman".

And really, when you're talking about popular music, you can't argue with success.

G'n'R are #92 on Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Artists list

I'm looking forward to hearing what they come up with.

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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:49 am
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strings10927 wrote:
And really, when you're talking about popular music, you can't argue with success.

Well, yes, you can. Success is created as much by record companies as talent, in some cases far more so. New Kids on the Block, Spice Girls, Backstreet Boys, Ke$ha...


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Post subject: Re: Brian Johnson fired from AC/DC
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:00 am
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arth1 wrote:
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And really, when you're talking about popular music, you can't argue with success.

Well, yes, you can. Success is created as much by record companies as talent, in some cases far more so. New Kids on the Block, Spice Girls, Backstreet Boys, Ke$ha...

Arth ... popular music. As in "if people like it, it's popular". Sometimes it talent, sometimes it's a gimmic. But if people didn't like listening to it ... it wouldn't be popular music. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Brian Johnson fired from AC/DC
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:39 am
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strings10927 wrote:
And really, when you're talking about popular music, you can't argue with success.

G'n'R are #92 on Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Artists list

I'm not too sure that list is a good indicator as to how great a band is...the inclusion of Jay-Z (88) on the list immediately makes the entire effort suspect.
Hank Williams is listed at 74? The man practically invented popular country and western music!
Tina Turner (63) listed lower than Madonna (36)? That's more sacrilege than Madonna's videos...as was the fact that Madonna was listed above Van Morrison, too...
Metallica (61) ahead of the Yardbirds (89)...(and Tina and Hank Sr. for that matter)? That's messed up for sure.

I realize any kind of list like that will be controversial, and listing in any kind of order would be impossible to fairly assess every aspect of an artist properly, but I wouldn't use that list to argue a point.

I love AC/DC, but they handled this whole affair poorly.
I also like a lot of G'n'R's music, but to me, Axel was always the least enjoyable aspect of the band--both vocally and personality-wise. He has "something," but so did Typhoid Mary.

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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:00 am
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...the inclusion of Jay-Z (88) on the list immediately makes the entire effort suspect.

Not if you take records sales into account.

Madonna: Total available certified units: 169.8 million
Metallica: Total available certified units: 91.5 million
Jay-Z: Total available certified units: 87.3 million
G'n'R: Total available certified units: 72.7 million
Tina Turner: Total available certified units: 32.6 million
Hank Williams: Didn't make the list
The Yardbirds: Didn't make the list
Van Morrison: Didn't make the list


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Post subject: Re: Brian Johnson fired from AC/DC
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:29 am
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Post subject: Re: Brian Johnson fired from AC/DC
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:48 am
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strings10927 wrote:
Screamin Armadillo wrote:
...the inclusion of Jay-Z (88) on the list immediately makes the entire effort suspect.

Not if you take records sales into account.

Madonna: Total available certified units: 169.8 million
Metallica: Total available certified units: 91.5 million
Jay-Z: Total available certified units: 87.3 million
G'n'R: Total available certified units: 72.7 million
Tina Turner: Total available certified units: 32.6 million
Hank Williams: Didn't make the list
The Yardbirds: Didn't make the list
Van Morrison: Didn't make the list


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Good Lord, you're an argumentative little sea donkey.

The whole point of this thread was to express a freaking opinion based on personal experience or feeling, not some ridiculous list that has nothing to do with artistic merit.

Money or other people's opinions should not enter into the discussion of whether the screeching arrogant ginger chunk monkey Willie Rose Junior is an adequate replacement for Brian Johnson.


You must be a pleasure to be around--if someone disagrees you either shout them down or make specious arguments based on fallacious data.

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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:40 am
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My bad, I thought this forum was for open public discussion of all things Fender and general music-related subjects. Clearly that is not the case. Thank you for setting me straight.

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Post subject: Re: Brian Johnson fired from AC/DC
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:50 am
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Nah I get it. As much as I don't like something, I can't argue with it's success. Conversely no one can tell me what to like>
I think Rose is a horrible person and singer. I don't think he's that great a frontman. Reason being, I can't tolerate his whine long enough to watch him.

As for sales, Zappa said it best, hippies killed music when they turned into accountants.
The reason those artists sell more is that advertising and the push to buy has greatly increased. Jay z whoever she is has probably had one of her songs on a film or an advert. When the Yardbirds were jaw dropping the only people to have their music on film were Louis Prima, Elvis and The Beatles, probably.

Madonna may be better marketed and have garnered more sales than Turner or whoever. Can you seriously tell me she sounded better than this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPOFNyvN2Y0

No fecking about in them days. Just a band on stage. The music had to be right. The moves had to be right. The singing had to be right. If it wasn't Ike would beat the bejabbers out of you later.

Between 1967 and 1968 Peter Greens Fleetwood Mac sold more records than the Beatles and Stones combined. Does that make them a better band? Well they're my all time favourite band. Even I can't say they're a better band than either.

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Post subject: Re: Brian Johnson fired from AC/DC
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:06 pm
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nikininja wrote:
No fecking about in them days. Just a band on stage. The music had to be right. The moves had to be right. The singing had to be right. If it wasn't Ike would beat the bejabbers out of you later.


+1

As despicable a roué as Ike was, he knew how to put an act together and sell it.

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