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Post subject: Re: New Paramount Acoustics
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 3:59 pm
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I might be looking for an acoustic soon. I really wanted an Ovation, an old one with the natural top and no cutaway. I guess FMIC no longer owns or distributes them anymore. I'll try the Paramounts.


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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:40 am
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I found both the Fender PM-1 Standard dreadnaught and the PM-3 Standard Triple 0 at a store not too far away so I went there on Saturday. Then I went back on Sunday. I played a lot of guitars in the $1,000.00 cdn range and a few at twice that price. Alvarez, Seagull, Simon & Patrick, Takamine, Taylor, Martin and Gibson. The Taylors, Martins and Gibsons at $2,000.00 were very nice guitars but at the $1,000.00 price point I did not like the Martins and the Taylors were just ok. And, of course, there are no Gibsons at that price.

I have to say, I really liked the Fenders. I played the dreadnaught and Triple 0 back and forth, back and forth. I went back on Sunday and went through the exercise again. I think I'm going to get the Triple 0.

It appears well made and has great tone. It's solid wood (spruce and mahogany), has a mahogany neck and rosewood fretboard (not the stratabond neck and richlite fretboard you find on the lower end Martins).

If I had a budget of $2,500.00 I would look again at Martin and Taylor, and I'd take a good hard look at Gibson. But at the $1,000.00 price point the Fender PM series looks pretty darn good.


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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:59 pm
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stratmansteve wrote:
I might be looking for an acoustic soon. I really wanted an Ovation, an old one with the natural top and no cutaway. I guess FMIC no longer owns or distributes them anymore. I'll try the Paramounts.

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I found both the Fender PM-1 Standard dreadnaught and the PM-3 Standard Triple 0 at a store not too far away so I went there on Saturday. Then I went back on Sunday. I played a lot of guitars in the $1,000.00 cdn range and a few at twice that price. Alvarez, Seagull, Simon & Patrick, Takamine, Taylor, Martin and Gibson. The Taylors, Martins and Gibsons at $2,000.00 were very nice guitars but at the $1,000.00 price point I did not like the Martins and the Taylors were just ok. And, of course, there are no Gibsons at that price.

I have to say, I really liked the Fenders. I played the dreadnaught and Triple 0 back and forth, back and forth. I went back on Sunday and went through the exercise again. I think I'm going to get the Triple 0.

It appears well made and has great tone. It's solid wood (spruce and mahogany), has a mahogany neck and rosewood fretboard (not the stratabond neck and richlite fretboard you find on the lower end Martins).

If I had a budget of $2,500.00 I would look again at Martin and Taylor, and I'd take a good hard look at Gibson. But at the $1,000.00 price point the Fender PM series looks pretty darn good.

That's the spirit , guys ! Looks like those of the posts in this thread expressing negative thoughts about the Paramounts, haven't tried them- and those who have , like them. Don't be so narrow-minded and full of prejudices - these guitars are good !
And Pudbert - I'm sure the Standard triple 0 is fine - but look at the Deluxe too - you might like it ! Not SO many more $$ ! You get an ebony fretboard and a rosewood body and some nice inlays :wink:

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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:12 pm
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asgeirman wrote:
stratmansteve wrote:
I might be looking for an acoustic soon. I really wanted an Ovation, an old one with the natural top and no cutaway. I guess FMIC no longer owns or distributes them anymore. I'll try the Paramounts.

Pudbert wrote:
I found both the Fender PM-1 Standard dreadnaught and the PM-3 Standard Triple 0 at a store not too far away so I went there on Saturday. Then I went back on Sunday. I played a lot of guitars in the $1,000.00 cdn range and a few at twice that price. Alvarez, Seagull, Simon & Patrick, Takamine, Taylor, Martin and Gibson. The Taylors, Martins and Gibsons at $2,000.00 were very nice guitars but at the $1,000.00 price point I did not like the Martins and the Taylors were just ok. And, of course, there are no Gibsons at that price.

I have to say, I really liked the Fenders. I played the dreadnaught and Triple 0 back and forth, back and forth. I went back on Sunday and went through the exercise again. I think I'm going to get the Triple 0.

It appears well made and has great tone. It's solid wood (spruce and mahogany), has a mahogany neck and rosewood fretboard (not the stratabond neck and richlite fretboard you find on the lower end Martins).

If I had a budget of $2,500.00 I would look again at Martin and Taylor, and I'd take a good hard look at Gibson. But at the $1,000.00 price point the Fender PM series looks pretty darn good.

That's the spirit , guys ! Looks like those of the posts in this thread expressing negative thoughts about the Paramounts, haven't tried them- and those who have , like them. Don't be so narrow-minded and full of prejudices - these guitars are good !
And Pudbert - I'm sure the Standard triple 0 are fine - but look at the deluxe- you might like that ! Not SO many more $$ You get an ebony fretboard and a rosewood body and some nice inlays :wink:


You're right about commenting w/o having tried them.

But, actually, I stopped by my go-to Fender dealer today and tried three of them.

IMHO, they didn't compete well w/ a Mex Martin and Blueridge at the same price-point. I was also struck by how different each of the Paramounts were between each other.

One was an absolute dog, poor finish, had one fret standing high (causing Buzz) and a nut poorly filed. The other two were OK but their tone seemed a bit muddled.

If you're Brand Loyal for Fender, that's great ! They're not the worst acoustics out there, but IMHO, they're nowhere near the top of the list of guitars in their price range either.

Good on ya if you love it and Best of Luck with it !

Cheers!

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Post subject: Re: New Paramount Acoustics
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:29 pm
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Lightnin MN wrote:
asgeirman wrote:
stratmansteve wrote:
I might be looking for an acoustic soon. I really wanted an Ovation, an old one with the natural top and no cutaway. I guess FMIC no longer owns or distributes them anymore. I'll try the Paramounts.

Pudbert wrote:
I found both the Fender PM-1 Standard dreadnaught and the PM-3 Standard Triple 0 at a store not too far away so I went there on Saturday. Then I went back on Sunday. I played a lot of guitars in the $1,000.00 cdn range and a few at twice that price. Alvarez, Seagull, Simon & Patrick, Takamine, Taylor, Martin and Gibson. The Taylors, Martins and Gibsons at $2,000.00 were very nice guitars but at the $1,000.00 price point I did not like the Martins and the Taylors were just ok. And, of course, there are no Gibsons at that price.

I have to say, I really liked the Fenders. I played the dreadnaught and Triple 0 back and forth, back and forth. I went back on Sunday and went through the exercise again. I think I'm going to get the Triple 0.

It appears well made and has great tone. It's solid wood (spruce and mahogany), has a mahogany neck and rosewood fretboard (not the stratabond neck and richlite fretboard you find on the lower end Martins).

If I had a budget of $2,500.00 I would look again at Martin and Taylor, and I'd take a good hard look at Gibson. But at the $1,000.00 price point the Fender PM series looks pretty darn good.

That's the spirit , guys ! Looks like those of the posts in this thread expressing negative thoughts about the Paramounts, haven't tried them- and those who have , like them. Don't be so narrow-minded and full of prejudices - these guitars are good !
And Pudbert - I'm sure the Standard triple 0 are fine - but look at the deluxe- you might like that ! Not SO many more $$ You get an ebony fretboard and a rosewood body and some nice inlays :wink:


You're right about commenting w/o having tried them.

But, actually, I stopped by my go-to Fender dealer today and tried three of them.

IMHO, they didn't compete well w/ a Mex Martin and Blueridge at the same price-point. I was also struck by how different each of the Paramounts were between each other.

One was an absolute dog, poor finish, had one fret standing high (causing Buzz) and a nut poorly filed. The other two were OK but their tone seemed a bit muddled.

If you're Brand Loyal for Fender, that's great ! They're not the worst acoustics out there, but IMHO, they're nowhere near the top of the list of guitars in their price range either.

Good on ya if you love it and Best of Luck with it !

Cheers!


For the record -- I don't believe my comments were negative.


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Post subject: Re: New Paramount Acoustics
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:17 pm
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stratmansteve wrote:
For the record -- I don't believe my comments were negative.
Of course not. I am aware of that. Perhaps That was a clumsy way of expressing things . Sorry. On the contrary , I quoted you as a good example - as someone who wanted to give it a try :-)
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Good on ya if you love it and Best of Luck with it !

Cheers!

Thanks. For the record : I am not on a mission from God , to save the world with a Fender acoustic ! And I really don't give a da**** of what others mean about that/those guitars . I've taken a choice on one that I liked, and I see no reason to feel miserable ,on the contrary.
I think it is unfair towards Fender to judge a quality product to be an inferior one. And it is unfair to the people reading this - might prevent them from going after it.

The best acoustic I've ever played , is a Martin OMJM John Mayer. But the price tag is way to high. I have been willing to buy a new Martin D28 some years ago, but that felt wrong - because it played and sounded worse than my -75 Levin W36 (swedish company , bought up by the C:E. Martin Co, and closed down ) :cry: I also have some experience with a friends Taylor 814 ce , without being too impressed. Not much more than with my PM3. IMHO and for my use, the price gap does not justify buying a Taylor. And - for the record again : I have been playing the guitar for 45 years now , but this is my first Fender acoustic. I've got 6 other acoustics which I love (and a bunch of electrics) - so I guess I'm not a novice

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Post subject: Re: New Paramount Acoustics
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:55 pm
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asgeirman wrote:
I think it is unfair towards Fender to judge a quality product to be an inferior one. And it is unfair to the people reading this - might prevent them from going after it.

Unfair, perhaps, but Fender has to fight an uphill battle here, given a past of many not-so-great guitars, their closing of the Fender/Ovation American factory, "all that's truly Fender is the logo" guitars, and transition to FMIC = Fender Made In China.
It doesn't imply that new Fender acoustic guitars are bad, but it's up to Fender to build the rep now, because they quite frankly made the bed. If they can fight that pitched battle and win, all the more power to them.


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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:02 pm
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Tried a Fender Paramount yesterday. Bought a Taylor today. If one is on budget restraint, I would consider a used guitar. Way more bang for your buck and lots of minty guitars out there on the used market I've seen Taylors in the $1000 dollar range on Reverb. Some may have a ding, but hey people are paying Fender stoopid money for reliced guitars.


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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:03 pm
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arth1 wrote:
asgeirman wrote:
I think it is unfair towards Fender to judge a quality product to be an inferior one. And it is unfair to the people reading this - might prevent them from going after it.

Unfair, perhaps, but Fender has to fight an uphill battle here, given a past of many not-so-great guitars, their closing of the Fender/Ovation American factory, "all that's truly Fender is the logo" guitars, and transition to FMIC = Fender Made In China.
It doesn't imply that new Fender acoustic guitars are bad, but it's up to Fender to build the rep now, because they quite frankly made the bed. If they can fight that pitched battle and win, all the more power to them.

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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:29 pm
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asgeirman wrote:
Thanks. For the record : I am not on a mission from God , to save the world with a Fender acoustic ! And I really don't give a da**** of what others mean about that/those guitars . I've taken a choice on one that I liked, and I see no reason to feel miserable...


Quite right !!

In the end, realize only two things apply;

These are opinion threads... everybody has one, but no one's is any more, or less, valid than the other.

It is your choice, your money and your guitar. If you're happy, 'nuff said.

Your choice to promote it too.

In the end, someone contemplating buying one will ultimately make their own choice as well. :D

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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:34 pm
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Minnesotastrats wrote:
Tried a Fender Paramount yesterday. Bought a Taylor today. If one is on budget restraint, I would consider a used guitar. Way more bang for your buck and lots of minty guitars out there on the used market I've seen Taylors in the $1000 dollar range on Reverb. Some may have a ding, but hey people are paying Fender stoopid money for reliced guitars.


You make a good point!

I own a Martin Dreadnaught that I love. Amazing feel, fit & finish, incredible Tone.

But, because I couldn't afford to buy it new, it is used (very lightly used) for about 40% less than new.

Someone looking for a nice, step-up acoustic may be well served to also consider $1k+ guitar rather than a new $1k+ guitar.

If the right one comes along, there's good value for money in them.

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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 5:42 am
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arth1 wrote:
Fender has to fight an uphill battle here, given a past of many not-so-great guitars, their closing of the Fender/Ovation American factory, "all that's truly Fender is the logo" guitars, and transition to FMIC = Fender Made In China.

I am with you on that one. In fact, I hate that China has become that influential when it comes to the all kinds of industry. That totally weakens the rest of the world.

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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:08 am
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While I do not share Lightnin MN's enthusiasm for the low end Martins (I really don't like the stratabond neck....doesn't feel right to me). we do agree on one thing. These are all opinions. What works for me may not work for you and vice versa. As a teacher I respect used to say when putting forward a position on something "but that only matters if it matters to you."

We all hear differently and feel differently.......the sound I like is different from the sound you like......the playability features I want are different than yours.

As Martian always reminded us, YMMV. Ain't it the truth.

And asgeirman, I will take a look at the Deluxe, but that actually illustrates what I was saying......an ebony fretboard with the fine inlays is very nice, but not that important to me and may not be worth the 35% increase in cost.....but I do like the rosewood body.

And I agree arth1, Fender does have an uphill battle to establish a strong reputation in the acoustic world. The Paramont series is a promising start...time will tell and I think I'm prepared to pull the trigger on the PM-3 Standard Triple 0.

But I saw a used Guild D52 yesterday at my local store for $1,200.00cdn. The body is deep and I'm not sure I'm looking for something that big but it has tone for miles! The search is not over....does it ever end?


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I own this guitar. the sound is very clear, readable, with good sustain. very bad strings are, I heard that they do not fit this guitar, jamming it. changed the strings on the martin sp acoustic custom light - the wood revealed itself. very comfortable neck. The build quality of my specimen is excellent. Perhaps it makes sense to look for the best specimen among many.


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