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Post subject: Re: Question for those who use just a footswitch...
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:22 pm
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Perhaps we are working from different definition of what 'tone' is. if I select a different brand of strings and it changes how long notes sustain ... have I now arrived at a new 'tone'?

The decay and sustain phases aren't just a measure of how long a note sounds. The waveform of the phase becomes different, making the sound different.

I can pick soft, and get a clean sound.
I can pick with a stronger attack, and the tone breaks up and continues to break up in the sustain phase. The envelope of the attack affects how the decay and sustain phases sound.

Even with SS amps, the attack matters. Or you've never played a squealie.

By "squealie", I assume you mean a "pinch harmonic", the picking technique mastered (and so perfectly used) by Billy Gibbons, et al.

It took me a little practice and a little effort to master that effect in a controlled manner, but when I did... 8)

That's another good example of how picking style/dynamics affects tone.

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Post subject: Re: Question for those who use just a footswitch...
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:43 pm
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Sometimes strings makes mountains out of molehills.
Other times he makes molehills out of mountains.
I've been trying to understand where he's coming from for several weeks now.
I'll let you know if I ever figure it out. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Question for those who use just a footswitch...
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:52 pm
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So, for stage use, you basically have a one channel amplifier unless you buy the foot controller or are prepared to set up a laptop at your station. Or you're prepared to stoop over and cycle through presets. How much are these switchers?

$60 = 4 button
$30 = 2 button


So if you buy the Mustang III, you have a two button option as part of the packaging.
so it gives you 2 change options. Which given what you CAN do with the amp, it is not ideal.

the Mustang IV is packaged with the 4 button, better.. not excellent

but yea, you gotta spend the extra $$ to setup w/ 2 and the 4,, you can get nutty and get an expression pedal which gives you another load of options.

For an amp that costs under $350 (the MIII) I guess it's a toss up if you want to drop the extra 60 bucks on the 4 button. If you have the MIV, you're now looking at another 30 bucks to configure the Dual FS. (The MIV is $499 150watts 2x12 stereo,, it's a lot more amp than the MIII)

after using these on a few gigs and many rehearsal sessions, you really do need the 2/4 button to make it work in the best config (I never got the expression pedal..)

sitting around the parlor OR hooked up to fuse/PC, A totally different experience.

btw. I think they've been around for well over 5 years now,, not sure when they popped on the scene, maybe 2009?? ish?? I think I got mine MIII in May of 2011


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Post subject: Re: Question for those who use just a footswitch...
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:47 pm
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I don't think the 2 and 4 button switches were an option when my friend bought one. Pretty sure his only option at the time was a floorboard controller with bank up/down, channel up/down, expression, etc. etc. Yah, maybe it was 5 years ago already. I do recall the Mustangs were a pretty new thing when he tried one. I played with it for a while and we both agreed it had gig potential but not as configured out of the box. More money would have to be spent. I seem to recall he told me the floorboard was about the same price as the amp.

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I never gave it much thought after that evening because I had already spent almost a decade with a Line-6 and I was getting out of modelling for good. Never went back. I lost a lot of time tweaking, trying to get a tone, only to find the limits were just short of my goal.

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Post subject: Re: Question for those who use just a footswitch...
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:58 pm
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If you're in a cover band, then I don't see how you can get away with just a foot switch. As an original band then you get to use your signature tone which could be just a lead plugged straight to the amp and clean/dirty foot switch (seen many original bands that try this "organic" sound and it does work). But of course your tone will be limited to just clean and distortion and amp reverb and the amp tone knob.

And of course I'm taking about tube amps. If we get into modeling amps then of course you can preset your patches and whatever tone you want could be a patch button away.

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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:03 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
I don't think the 2 and 4 button switches were an option when my friend bought one. Pretty sure his only option at the time was a floorboard controller with bank up/down, channel up/down, expression, etc. etc. Yah, maybe it was 5 years ago already. I do recall the Mustangs were a pretty new thing when he tried one. I played with it for a while and we both agreed it had gig potential but not as configured out of the box. More money would have to be spent. I seem to recall he told me the floorboard was about the same price as the amp.



I think that sounds like the mustang floor model, verses the combos that we're discussing in this thread. and I believe they were around $299 USD. Those were the first products disco'd (AFAIK) in the product line. the setup with those was mostly intended as a DI device for live / recording (AKA Line 6 POD HD series)

the combo amps had two software versions. The v1 which had a notorious aliasing FIZZ sound problem with the "some" of MIIIs and the v2 which fixed that issue, and added a few more options and presets.

The "FIZZ" issue with the MIII was a pretty hot topic around here, and the v2s fixed that but, you had to buy a v2 to get rid of it, that decision left thousands of MIII v1 owners SOL for a fix. Left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths for sure.

I lost a lot of time tweaking, trying to get a tone, only to find the limits were just short of my goal

I hear ya, I have to admit, I sort of paid no attention to them in the stores and mail order places, after having tried the Peavey/line 6 stuff (I bought one of the very first generation PODs weeks after they were available. A fun "Toy" but nothing really viable for anyone over 15/16 years old.) I was cold on the whole idea.

Until one day, the local guy down the road had a few mustangs on the shop floor and urged me to try it "no really man, try it, you may be very surprised"

I did, and I was. They sounded good, once you got away from the presets that were targeted (once again) for the teenagers looking to get the "Sounds in their head", you could grab some pretty righteous tweed and black-face sounds out them (way better than the line 6 offering)...

And now Fender is more or less languishing on the line, this years namm had nothing to offer from Fender,

But Marshall has put forward the CODE series which is either their answer to the mustang, 5 years too late, or,.. what could be the next technology wave of modeling amps. I've been intrigued by some of the demos, but have yet to see one up close.


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Post subject: Re: Question for those who use just a footswitch...
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:13 pm
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The amp my buddy had (for a short while) was a 112 combo. I think he said Mustang 3.

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Post subject: Re: Question for those who use just a footswitch...
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:45 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
The amp my buddy had (for a short while) was a 112 combo. I think he said Mustang 3.



yea, that's the 100Watter, the one that can take the 2 or 4 botton FS.

I have one as well as a MIV.


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Post subject: Re: Question for those who use just a footswitch...
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:08 am
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Here's a video that the OP should find interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkGCvLstPrE


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Post subject: Re: Question for those who use just a footswitch...
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:13 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
Not every amp is as touch sensitive as some amps are though.
I remember A/B-ing a friend's SFDR and my SFVR one time back about 10 years ago or so and we were both quite taken by how sensitive the VR was compared to the DR. Different animals for sure but the difference in sensitivity was quite striking. My friend didn't like it because the VR revealed more of his hands and he wasn't used to that, hearing every little nuance of pick scratch on the windings and the sound of his thumb when he choked up on the pick.

***THIS IS MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND OPINION, AND I REALIZE PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES AND OPINIONS. I AM NOT SAYING YOU'RE WRONG OR STUPID.
(It seems like I have to defend every opinion I write lately, so I'm going to pre-emptively do that).

On to the subject at hand:
That's one of the reasons I've never bought a Deluxe Reverb. They sound really good, and I love the power and volume that they put out (they aren't called the "Perfect Club Amp" for nothing)...but I never get exactly what I want out of a DR, including the pick attack and low-end tightness.

I think it has more to do with the speaker configuration than anything else. Overall, I am a much bigger fan of 10-inch speakers than 12-speakers, partially because of what you just wrote.

I have had amps with 12-inch speakers (previously, I owned a silverface Twin Reverb with master volume, and I currently have a Gibson G-20 combo with a 1x12 speaker arrangement), but I prefer the focus, punch and attack of 10-inch speakers...I also perceive a bit tighter low-end with tens. Twelve can get flabby.

That is amongst the myriad of reasons I continue to love my 2x10 '63-reissue Vibroverb...it fits my every need and want.

I'm considering saving up for a '68 Custom Princeton Reverb for smaller gigs and jams, due to space constraints and the desire for something lighter to carry around. It would obviously have to be mic'd or have a line out installed to compete with a drummer, but it's just a thought right now.

...now, put a 2x10 configuration in a Deluxe Reverb, and I might have to start rolling some coins to afford such a purchase.

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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:18 am
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...now, put a 2x10 configuration in a Deluxe Reverb, and I might have to start rolling some coins to afford such a purchase.


That's not much of a stretch, SA. I've performed several of those conversions. There's plenty of room, all it takes is a new baffle board and a pair of 16Ω speakers.

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Post subject: Re: Question for those who use just a footswitch...
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:24 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Screamin Armadillo wrote:
...now, put a 2x10 configuration in a Deluxe Reverb, and I might have to start rolling some coins to afford such a purchase.


That's not much of a stretch, SA. I've performed several of those conversions. There's plenty of room, all it takes is a new baffle board and a pair of 16Ω speakers.

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Dang you, Arjay....where's my big coin jar? :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Question for those who use just a footswitch...
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:25 am
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I think the 12" vs 10" thing is part of the sensitivity equation but I'm pretty sure it's not all of it. I suspect it's not even the lion's share. My Rivera is pretty dang touch sensitive; perhaps not quite as much so as my old VR was but more sensitive than most amps, IMO, including a DR and it has a 12". That said, I think a 210 DR sounds like an interesting idea.

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Post subject: Re: Question for those who use just a footswitch...
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:46 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Screamin Armadillo wrote:
...now, put a 2x10 configuration in a Deluxe Reverb, and I might have to start rolling some coins to afford such a purchase.


That's not much of a stretch, SA. I've performed several of those conversions. There's plenty of room, all it takes is a new baffle board and a pair of 16Ω speakers.


Would a couple of 4 Ohm speakers in series work, if it's intended for home/practice use to get a little less dB?


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