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Post subject: Re: Broken strap lock
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:43 am
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Those were the first style of strap locks I ever used and I had it fail on me after maybe one year, so the fact that this one broke doesn't surprise me at all.

The ball didn't break on mine, what happened was the "shaft" that goes into the button on the guitar just wore down and pulled out one night at practice. Luckily I caught my beloved Musicmaster on it's way to the floor!


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Post subject: Re: Broken strap lock
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:03 am
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Post subject: Re: Broken strap lock
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:48 am
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WI KISSfan wrote:
Those were the first style of strap locks I ever used and I had it fail on me after maybe one year, so the fact that this one broke doesn't surprise me at all.

The ball didn't break on mine, what happened was the "shaft" that goes into the button on the guitar just wore down and pulled out one night at practice. Luckily I caught my beloved Musicmaster on it's way to the floor!

That's strange...I've been using Schaller strap locks for close to 20 years, and never had any kind of failure.

The only thing I have ever had to do was occasionally tighten the nut that holds the lock onto the strap, and occasionally tighten the strap buttons, too.

Things happen, I suppose...

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Post subject: Re: Broken strap lock
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:13 am
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Screamin Armadillo wrote:
WI KISSfan wrote:
Those were the first style of strap locks I ever used and I had it fail on me after maybe one year, so the fact that this one broke doesn't surprise me at all.

The ball didn't break on mine, what happened was the "shaft" that goes into the button on the guitar just wore down and pulled out one night at practice. Luckily I caught my beloved Musicmaster on it's way to the floor!

That's strange...I've been using Schaller strap locks for close to 20 years, and never had any kind of failure.

The only thing I have ever had to do was occasionally tighten the nut that holds the lock onto the strap, and occasionally tighten the strap buttons, too.

Things happen, I suppose...



It was very strange, it was like the "shaft" was always in the same position and it had the appearance of having been sanded at an angle so the bass just slid off, heart-stopping moment ya know.

Ever since I have used this type, never had an issue, have these on all of my guitars and basses. In fact it's usually the first thing I do any new ones I get.

Depending on the guitar I've got them in brass, black, and chrome.

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Post subject: Re: Broken strap lock
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:16 am
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WI KISSfan wrote:
Screamin Armadillo wrote:
WI KISSfan wrote:
Those were the first style of strap locks I ever used and I had it fail on me after maybe one year, so the fact that this one broke doesn't surprise me at all.

The ball didn't break on mine, what happened was the "shaft" that goes into the button on the guitar just wore down and pulled out one night at practice. Luckily I caught my beloved Musicmaster on it's way to the floor!

That's strange...I've been using Schaller strap locks for close to 20 years, and never had any kind of failure.

The only thing I have ever had to do was occasionally tighten the nut that holds the lock onto the strap, and occasionally tighten the strap buttons, too.

Things happen, I suppose...



It was very strange, it was like the "shaft" was always in the same position and it had the appearance of having been sanded at an angle so the bass just slid off, heart-stopping moment ya know.

Ever since I have used this type, never had an issue, have these on all of my guitars and basses. In fact it's usually the first thing I do any new ones I get.

Depending on the guitar I've got them in brass, black, and chrome.

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Are those Dunlop strap locks?

I'd hate to change over--I'd have to get new strap buttons for four guitars and a bass, and new locks for three different straps...I guess I ll keep on chooglin' (apologies to CCR) until I have a mishap.

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Post subject: Re: Broken strap lock
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:57 am
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Yikes! I hope not, but if all else fails, brute force. :lol:

Lol I'm not kidding, I would carefully try to saw the damn thing off! :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Broken strap lock
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:58 am
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It is astounding how the vast majority of broken strap lock posts and discussions, frequently appearing on various Internet forums, seem to plague the guitar's button side of the strap lock mechanism and most often these are purported upgrade designs from the OEM or aftermarket.

All my guitars have standard traditional OEM strap buttons. For decades, the basic simple guitar strap button design has proven to be flawless! I have never seen a standard strap button fail nor come loose from the guitar. It is the strap side of the design that comes loose -- never the button! I never opted to buy into, use, nor bother with any purpotedly upgraded design nor method requiring switching away from the basic strap button.

Rather than use any one of a variety of proprietary and purportedly improved custom replacement mechanisms requiring removal and replacement of a guitar's strap buttons and requiring customized fitments to the straps, I went with D'Addario's Planet Lock Straps. These do not require changing anything on the guitar! The strap itself contains the lock mechanism which quickly and effectively fits and secures to any standard guitar strap button. Simple, easy, secure! And, any one of these straps works with any guitar having standard strap buttons! I have never had one fail, and I have no regrets! YMMV.

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Post subject: Re: Broken strap lock
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:41 pm
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One day ....

All it takes is once.

One day you may have a strap come off of your guitar and watch helplessly as your beloved axe drops to the floor. It always happens when you have both hands on the mic stand or otherwise occupied.

You can have wonderful, amazing, beautiful luck with stock strap buttons for years, maybe even decades. All it takes is once. When the once happens you will never trust a standard strap button again for the rest of your life. It won't matter to you how many times you wore a guitar over your shoulders and it didn't fall. Those "success-statistics" will be utterly meaningless in your eyes.

All it takes is once.

Like Matt (SA), I have been using Schaller strap locks since the first time I ever saw one and I have never had a catastrophic failure of the guitar or the strap lock. Occasionally, the button screw needs to be tightened or the lock holder nut needs a turn on the strap but other than that they're pretty near fool-proof and inexpensive piece of mind.

I watched a friend lose a Les Paul. His hands were on the mic stand. The strap slipped off because there was no strap lock. The guitar fell to the floor, headstock first. The headstock broke clean off the guitar. His was by no means the only one that ever happened to. There is a small cottage industry surrounding fixes and prevention of broken LP headstocks. The real prevention is a properly installed and maintained strap lock.

All it takes is once.

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Post subject: Re: Broken strap lock
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:47 pm
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You're right. Even with confirming, every so often, that standard buttons are tight, relying soley on a stock strap (w/ standard buttons) is a recipe for certain yet unexpected disaster!

The advantage of D'Addario's Planet Lock Strap's is their self-contained locking mechanism. This simple solution requires no guitar modifications whatsoever. There are no repeat costs to retrofit each guitar! The only limitation is you must like their straps. As far as I know, they are not yet offering an add-on version of the mechanism for standard straps. I suggested this to them at last Year's NAMM show, and it would be a nice addition to the product line. Time will tell....

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Post subject: Re: Broken strap lock
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:03 pm
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MusicLaw wrote:
It is astounding how the vast majority of broken strap lock posts and discussions, frequently appearing on various Internet forums, seem to plague the guitar's button side of the strap lock mechanism and most often these are purported upgrade designs from the OEM or aftermarket.

All my guitars have standard traditional OEM strap buttons. For decades, the basic simple guitar strap button design has proven to be flawless! I have never seen a standard strap button fail nor come loose from the guitar. It is the strap side of the design that comes loose -- never the button! I never opted to buy into, use, nor bother with any purpotedly upgraded design nor method requiring switching away from the basic strap button.

Rather than use any one of a variety of proprietary and purportedly improved custom replacement mechanisms requiring removal and replacement of a guitar's strap buttons and requiring customized fitments to the straps, I went with D'Addario's Planet Lock Straps. These do not require changing anything on the guitar! The strap itself contains the lock mechanism which quickly and effectively fits and secures to any standard guitar strap button. Simple, easy, secure! And, any one of these straps works with any guitar having standard strap buttons! I have never had one fail, and I have no regrets! YMMV.

It's like an insurance policy. You can't be 100% certain that will cover you 100%, but it's better than not having it at all. Strap locks secure your strap much better than standard buttons ever will. Strap ends stretch out over time and that's when things might fail. Just pay attention to your aging strap and don't buy cheap ones with thin ends. Buy one of those with thick leather ends that are a pain to put on.

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Post subject: Re: Broken strap lock
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:04 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
One day ....

All it takes is once.

One day you may have a strap come off of your guitar and watch helplessly as your beloved axe drops to the floor. It always happens when you have both hands on the mic stand or otherwise occupied.

You can have wonderful, amazing, beautiful luck with stock strap buttons for years, maybe even decades. All it takes is once. When the once happens you will never trust a standard strap button again for the rest of your life. It won't matter to you how many times you wore a guitar over your shoulders and it didn't fall. Those "success-statistics" will be utterly meaningless in your eyes.

All it takes is once.

Like Matt (SA), I have been using Schaller strap locks since the first time I ever saw one and I have never had a catastrophic failure of the guitar or the strap lock. Occasionally, the button screw needs to be tightened or the lock holder nut needs a turn on the strap but other than that they're pretty near fool-proof and inexpensive piece of mind.

I watched a friend lose a Les Paul. His hands were on the mic stand. The strap slipped off because there was no strap lock. The guitar fell to the floor, headstock first. The headstock broke clean off the guitar. His was by no means the only one that ever happened to. There is a small cottage industry surrounding fixes and prevention of broken LP headstocks. The real prevention is a properly installed and maintained strap lock.

All it takes is once.

Or it could be worse. You could be this guy who put way too much trust on his strap locks! :shock:

https://youtu.be/3O72lItS4OA

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Post subject: Re: Broken strap lock
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:10 pm
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1neeto wrote:
Or it could be worse. You could be this guy who put way too much trust on his strap locks! :shock:

https://youtu.be/3O72lItS4OA
Strange that there was mention of his strap breaking once before. This toss must have been a sight to see from backstage. Good to know that there weren't any casualties. I feel bad for the guy; but, I hope I'm not the only one here to have a sadistic streak because, along with the Missus finding humour in the video, I'm ROTFL. :evil: FSB

+1 on a thick leather strap even though lock setup can, at times, be a minor PITA.

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Post subject: Re: Broken strap lock
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:55 pm
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Looking at the photos, I think you might be able to simply crush off the leftover damaged strap lock in perhaps a vice. Much less chance of slipping with a hacksaw and damaging the body.
Worst case: You might damage the button too but at least you will be able to get to it's mounting screw and replace all with a new.

Many years ago I watched a beautiful Gretsch White Falcon succumb to the catastrophic forces of gravity on stage.
Apart from the electronics and some hardware it was a complete throw away.
From that moment on I've always used Schaller strap locks - without fail.
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I smear a little PVA wood glue on the full length of the button screws when installing on the body - prevents them from coming loose.
I always check the strap hardware is tight prior to playing.


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Post subject: Re: Broken strap lock
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:40 am
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1neeto wrote:
Or it could be worse. You could be this guy who put way too much trust on his strap locks! :shock:

https://youtu.be/3O72lItS4OA

I've never understood how the thrill or excitement that MIGHT be generated by this stage stunt is worth the MUCH MORE LIKELY scenario(s) of:
--whacking oneself in the head,
--knocking over/puncturing an amp,
--whacking a bandmate in the head, or
--(worst case scenario) what happened here (when this dude destroyed his guitar).

The Bang-To-Buck/Risk-vs-Reward ratio isn't high enough. Plus, it looks cheesy, even if successful.

He should mount the pieces of that guitar prominently on the wall in his home, and when people ask what it is, he should say, "That's a reminder to myself not to be an idiot."

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Post subject: Re: Broken strap lock
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:28 am
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Screamin Armadillo wrote:
1neeto wrote:
Or it could be worse. You could be this guy who put way too much trust on his strap locks! :shock:

https://youtu.be/3O72lItS4OA

I've never understood how the thrill or excitement that MIGHT be generated by this stage stunt is worth the MUCH MORE LIKELY scenario(s) of:
whacking oneself in the head,
knocking over/puncturing an amp,
whacking a bandmate in the head, or
(worst case scenario) what happened here (when this dude destroyed his guitar).

The Bang-To-Buck/Risk-vs-Reward ratio isn't high enough. Plus, it looks cheesy, even if successful.

He should mount the pieces of that guitar prominently on the wall in his home, and when people ask what it is, he should say, "That's a reminder to myself not to be an idiot."

Lol agree 110%! I think that stunt is the main reason why would anyone buy a wireless.

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