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Post subject: Re: My interest in owning tangible music has been decreasing
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:42 pm
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I still buy CD's, usually from the used record store (is record still a word?) I rip them with no compression to my dusty 120g zune. I will eventually update my car audio to something with memory. I went looking a few weeks ago for a new one for my Scion XB but I couldn't justify the $1k price for a good one. I guess I'll move on when the zune dies.


I got a Zune also, I really love it. I never understood why nobody liked them. Anyway, I found a barely used Zune just like mine on Ebay for a good price and bought it. It is in my drawer waiting for my current Zune to die.

In my earlier post when I spoke of digital music being not so stable, I was talking about it getting wiped out by a magnetic pulse of some kind. Flash memory and all magnetic media are at risk. I'm not being critical of anyones choices, I just don't like being "all in" to one type. :)


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Post subject: Re: My interest in owning tangible music has been decreasing
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:17 pm
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I don't know but I have way more ruined CD's than thumb drives, iPods or SD cards. And all my music is backed up so even if something happens then I can always download it again.

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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:44 pm
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I buy CD's directly from artist's whenever possible at live events where they may be promoting their music and have CD's on hand , hey , maybe they need gas money while on the road .

I'm proud to support musicians , they gotta make a living too.


That might make you feel good, but artists buying each other's CDs is a net loss for the artists. Only the record companies and CD manufacturers win.

Say you buy five CDs from other artists at $12 a piece. And let's be very generous and say that the artist gets half of that. You have now spent $60, of which $30 goes to artists. If those five artists you bought from all do the same, the net effect is that each artist is spends $60, get $30 back, and as a result is $30 poorer. Meanwile, the label executives laugh their way to the bank.

If you don't produce music yourself, sure, spend! But the artist will make more if you pirate the music and drop $10 in the hat.


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Post subject: Re: My interest in owning tangible music has been decreasing
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:37 am
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bluesguy55 wrote:
I buy CD's directly from artist's whenever possible at live events where they may be promoting their music and have CD's on hand , hey , maybe they need gas money while on the road .

I'm proud to support musicians , they gotta make a living too.


That might make you feel good, but artists buying each other's CDs is a net loss for the artists. Only the record companies and CD manufacturers win.

Say you buy five CDs from other artists at $12 a piece. And let's be very generous and say that the artist gets half of that. You have now spent $60, of which $30 goes to artists. If those five artists you bought from all do the same, the net effect is that each artist is spends $60, get $30 back, and as a result is $30 poorer. Meanwile, the label executives laugh their way to the bank.

If you don't produce music yourself, sure, spend! But the artist will make more if you pirate the music and drop $10 in the hat.


Advocates for musicians seem to always think in terms of "monetizing" their work and look back at the 70's big money days as a God given right, but I personally think that in the new musical days of easy access that musicians should start looking at their "art" more in terms of how "fine artists" have had to look at their work for many years now -- it's something you do for the love of it and not because you expect to get rich or even make a living from it!

So buying a CD from a local musician, especially when you're talking to them personally while doing so gives them support in perhaps a more important way than just the adding $5 more to their donation hat. It's easy to say you like something, and even easier to go on social media and click a like button, but when you buy something from someone and walk away with the physical evidence of their work it somehow makes it feel more "real." And realness is something we all strive for!

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Post subject: Re: My interest in owning tangible music has been decreasing
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:39 am
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And PS, *I* appreciate everyone who buys one of *my* CDs!!! :)

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Post subject: Re: My interest in owning tangible music has been decreasing
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:15 pm
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In my former profession I used a plethora of new and old technology some of which preceded consumer use. Some of the old technology (think analog microphones) comes at a premium today while other innovations made the chore a pleasure to work with. There's no argument IMHO that convenience such as editing and playback access often trumps quality and sometimes not. Great if you have both.

Today we have decent stereo convenience playing through inexpensive singular Bluetooth speakers and less than adequate phone and tablet speaker arrangements. Expensive and not so expensive plug-ins add noise (including turntable/record characteristics) to digital recordings?! Digital editing can rescue damaged recordings such as records. Digital manufacturers brag about how their sound mimicks analog. Tube hardware and software is available to digital recordings before or after. The list goes on.

As for convenience I once had an expensive cassette deck that could shuffle programmed tracks on both sides for playback. This was okay if you didn't hear the clunk and had patience while it fast forwarded and reversed. Still it was cool.

I use and like most media formats for several reasons; but, the main one (aside from editing) is because records are a mature media, and they are over a century old. I know that these recordings, and as others have mentioned, tape and, at least in my case, broadcasts and all will never see a completed library on digital which has no standard, and is subject to change. Of course, audio for video has taken leaps and bounds. There are articles that digital dubs may lose information during the process YMMV.

Meanwhile, I'll submit this FYI.
http://www.wired.com/2012/02/why-neil-y ... -about-it/

That's my 2 bits :lol:

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Post subject: Re: My interest in owning tangible music has been decreasing
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:56 pm
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Good read. I think nowadays it's just too inconvenient to get the best sample rate available or vinyl. For the average person listening with average equipment, a AAC file will sound just like the CD. The fact that you can browse iTunes and download the album and being able to listen to it a minute later is a hell of a convenience that's hard to pass up.

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Post subject: Re: My interest in owning tangible music has been decreasing
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 7:14 pm
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Great topic, lneeto, and I agree that there's plenty to like about each person's choice. Play if you got 'em.

Just a side note on convenience. Some of you may remember this:
http://www.vinylengine.com/library/adc/ ... 4000.shtml

Dang! I miss my CD 4 and my 4 channel headphones. Just bring back binaural, and make surround more available. Okay. I'll settle for stereo and leave monaural for my 78s. 8)
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Post subject: Re: My interest in owning tangible music has been decreasing
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:49 pm
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1neeto wrote:
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... the iomoio website, where I have been paying around $1.50 per album (it used to be half that), and I could not be happier with their quality downloads

That's something I can't do. At $1.50 per album, you know the artist is making zero money on that.

Well, now hold on ... Let's think about this. The other day I heard a late 1960s band Chocolate Watchband (reminded me of the Yardbirds). If it cost me $1/track or $10/album, I would not have even downloaded it. But being able to download for $1.50/album, I did. Either way, the band makes nothing ... so what's the difference?? At the very least, I get to hear them.

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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:24 pm
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FSB, thank you for those links :D

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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:56 am
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FSB, thank you for those links :D
Glad you enjoyed them, Rollie. Ain't sharing a wonderful thing? :D

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Solid Body Love Songs wrote:
FSB, thank you for those links :D
Glad you enjoyed them, Rollie. Ain't sharing a wonderful thing? :D

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Yes, it is :D

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Post subject: Re: My interest in owning tangible music has been decreasing
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 5:59 am
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CDs were never special the way vinyl was.

I've got two 32gb SDS cards in the dash of my car now and the potential to plug in an external hard drive in the glove compartment which I'll never need.

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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:51 am
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I still buy my music in a physical format, typically CDs. I estimate less than 2% of my music library was purchased electronically. It's mostly ripped from my own collection of CDs and even a little vinyl. There's no substitute for having it in your hands, IMO.

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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:56 am
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I still buy my music in a physical format, typically CDs. I estimate less than 2% of my music library was purchased electronically. It's mostly ripped from my own collection of CDs and even a little vinyl. There's no substitute for having it in your hands, IMO.

You can always burn to CD. :mrgreen:

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