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Post subject: Re: Is the guitar based band dying?
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:27 pm
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Well, I've seen that cassette tapes have some popularity again, so who knows? :P I'm not knocking rap music, but if they are going to start doing that, then they should be fair and throw in some blues artists, since that's where it all started to begin with. I don't know if any have been nominated (haven't checked,) but I can think of quite a few if they haven't been.

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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:05 am
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 10:30 am
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This is just my own take on this...I haven't read the other responses here in depth, so please forgive me if I add anything terribly redundant.

To me, such comments are usually made by people who really think current trends and fads are somehow more significant than anything established....it's gotta be new to be cool...after all, green is the "new" pink, right? They're the same people who seem to think that products and labels and such always need to be updated ("New Coke" anyone?). I also suspect they're the same lot who has to run out and buy new smart phones and tablets every month just to have the latest, greatest, coolest apps and such. It's a bunch of narrow minded, short sighted rubbish of course and most such people wouldn't really know "cool" if it bit them in the $@!, but hey...I'm just an old fart, right?

Ever since the 50's, 60's and 70's, people have tried to claim that guitar and rock music is "on it's way out"...but it just never happens. Seriously...do we still really believe that this whole rock & roll thing is just some communist plot to take over the minds of our country's youth? LOL! The fact is that guitar based bands aren't going anywhere. I can't speak to others, but I can tell you that here in Ohio, when I get up on stage on a Friday or Saturday night and fire off the lead riff to Chuck Berry's "Johnny B. Goode", people still get up and dance...old and young alike.

From Beethoven and Mozart to Duke Ellington and Glenn Miller to The Stones, The Who and Pink Floyd, very simply, good music will ALWAYS have an audience.


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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:36 am
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I think they told Mozart he was an idiot too.

the recent load of crap people call "pop music" is a mess, it sucks, it will not sustain.

don't even get me started with hip hop, and Rap is NOT music..


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Post subject: Re: Is the guitar based band dying?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:20 pm
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I wonder if people who played the accordion going into the 1960's thought the same thing? :P

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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:36 pm
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The fact is that the process of making music has drastically changed. With the advent of technology, it has become possible for complete non-musicians to make music and be considered musical artists (ever heard of Skrillex?). I don't believe the death knell of guitar-based music has been sounded, but there has definitely been a major shift in the foundation of things...

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Post subject: Re: Is the guitar based band dying?
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:31 am
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01GT eibach wrote:
The fact is that the process of making music has drastically changed. With the advent of technology, it has become possible for complete non-musicians to make music and be considered musical artists (ever heard of Skrillex?). I don't believe the death knell of guitar-based music has been sounded, but there has definitely been a major shift in the foundation of things...

That's not really new anymore, though. I used free multitrack sequencer software 25 years ago, and the skills needed was basically the ability to download samples and click a mouse.

What's relatively new is the demise of melody and harmony. Hip-hop had already reduced the melody by moving it to the backing music, and emphasized a trochaic rhythm, but new rap took it one step further and has to a large extent removed melody and harmony from the backing music too. There is little room for guitar which is inherently harmony based, and singing which is inherently melody based.
Of course, that doesn't mean that guitar or singing is dead. It does mean that it will be one of many music forms that seldom get the top spot anymore.

Other new changes have certainly been made possible by technology, including extreme compression and lack of dynamics (loudness war) and autotune. Combined, they do make things sound very similar from a traditional point of view, but new listeners may emphasize other things than we do. Jazz still emphasizes both dynamics and expanding beyond 12-equal, and is far from dead, despite these technologies.
Blues/Rock guitar will survive too.


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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:29 am
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What's relatively new is the demise of melody and harmony.

That not new either. IMO, that style started with the Sugar Hill Gang in 1979. But it's not like there's any less country music now because hip-hip eats country. :lol:
The difference is what people consider to be popular (pop) music. That's just what's 'hip' right now. The other styles are out there, you just have to seek them out.

I like all of it. I like crappy music that is lacking in harmony and melody. And I like music that's rich in harmony and melody, but maybe a little lacking in the 'soul' department.

And what I really like is when those worlds come together. Now lets take a moment to enjoy 19 year old Alessia Cara singing real melodies with a real guitar at TEDxTeen.


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Post subject: Re: Is the guitar based band dying?
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:37 pm
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arth1 wrote:
01GT eibach wrote:
The fact is that the process of making music has drastically changed. With the advent of technology, it has become possible for complete non-musicians to make music and be considered musical artists (ever heard of Skrillex?). I don't believe the death knell of guitar-based music has been sounded, but there has definitely been a major shift in the foundation of things...

That's not really new anymore, though. I used free multitrack sequencer software 25 years ago, and the skills needed was basically the ability to download samples and click a mouse.

What's relatively new is the demise of melody and harmony. Hip-hop had already reduced the melody by moving it to the backing music, and emphasized a trochaic rhythm, but new rap took it one step further and has to a large extent removed melody and harmony from the backing music too. There is little room for guitar which is inherently harmony based, and singing which is inherently melody based.
Of course, that doesn't mean that guitar or singing is dead. It does mean that it will be one of many music forms that seldom get the top spot anymore.

Other new changes have certainly been made possible by technology, including extreme compression and lack of dynamics (loudness war) and autotune. Combined, they do make things sound very similar from a traditional point of view, but new listeners may emphasize other things than we do. Jazz still emphasizes both dynamics and expanding beyond 12-equal, and is far from dead, despite these technologies.
Blues/Rock guitar will survive too.


A very insightful post, thank you Art. 8)

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Post subject: Re: Is the guitar based band dying?
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:19 am
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On The Late Late Show this evening, Reggie Watts musician, beatboxer, and user of loopers and other electronica asked Kelly Osbourne if she thought rock and roll was more or less dead today. Kelly replied that her father (Ozzie) was presently on tour, and, judging from the turnout, it is evident that rock is alive and doing well. Reggie said that Kelly gave the right answer. That would include guitar rock.

As far as Country music goes (although some is more pop/rock rather than traditional Country IMHO), autotune is finding its way on the Opry and outdoor stages. Even Rap has invaded Country. Oh, the shame of it all. :roll: However, as long as some of the best guitarists are backing the performances I wouldn't worry about the demise of the axe. YMMV.

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Post subject: Re: Is the guitar based band dying?
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 6:56 pm
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But I wonder if we aren't seeing a change in attitude, that will some day mean a guitar based band is seen as primitive and out of touch?


Shallow narrow minded people that are trying to be the smartest one in the room may say so, but we have already been through this once. In the early 80's right after the launch of MTV, new wave practically wiped out guitar based bands. They were using synths that hung around your neck and they kind of looked like a guitar, when there was a guitar it was rhythm only. It did not last long, hair bands put most of the synth based bands out of business. I think when it comes to music, nothing ever really dies, it just goes out of style. Look at disco, I have been praying for it to die for 30+ years and it still rears its ugly head every now and then. :roll:

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New Wave and synths didn't kill guitar-based music, but they almost killed off Fender and Gibson with MTV's help. Both were in deep trouble financially in the early '80s as they lost sales to keyboards. Both got bailed out, Gibson found a buyer and Fender was bought by its management. I remember looking for a new Strat in 1985-86 timeframe. They were hard to find. I think (hope) both companies have learned how to survive during these occasional shifts in pop culture. Still, any kid with a computer and a cheap DAW can crank out EDM tracks today, though, even EDM has its own problems.

I agree that guitar-based music will not die because of EDM, Hip Hop, Rap or even technology.

Synths hung around the neck -- they called them Keytars !! I had almost forgotten them. :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Is the guitar based band dying?
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:14 am
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Still, any kid with a computer and a cheap DAW can crank out EDM tracks today

In the same way as any kid with a guitar and cheap amp can crank out rock music. Technically true, but there are extreme variations in quality in electronic music just as it is with guitar. People like Simon Posford or Alan Parsons are not in the same league as the "any kid" any more than Jimi Hendrix and David Gilmour are. Becoming good takes years, and both talent and practice, no matter whether your fingers dance on a fretboard or a gigantic mixer.

So let me end with three of the esteemed gentlemen (Parsons, Posford and Gilmour):



Can any kid with a DAW do this?


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Post subject: Re: Is the guitar based band dying?
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 3:20 pm
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As pointed out by others--these things go in cycles--and whether guitar music is at the top of things or not--I'll keep listening to it & playing it.

Actually I saw this when I taught guitar--the popularity of guitar music impacted how many kids wanted to learn--but even when it wasn't popular, there were still kids who wanted to learn guitar.

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Post subject: Re: Is the guitar based band dying?
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:33 am
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Guitar based bands will live on forever. Yeah there will be fads and it might seem like they threaten the guitar but the guitar will always prevail.

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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:07 am
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Well . . . certainly not as long as Keef is around. :wink: FSB

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