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Post subject: Is the guitar based band dying?
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:07 pm
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I read a review in the paper yesterday about a concert that went on here in L.A., this past weekend. It mentioned how Chris Cornell was not well received by the audience, that he represented an outdated style of music, and was basically another white guy with guitar (WGWG). I've seen several other instances where this same sentiment was part of a review of other artists. I know to some extent this is blustery prose, meant to get attention. But I wonder if we aren't seeing a change in attitude, that will some day mean a guitar based band is seen as primitive and out of touch?

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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:19 pm
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Eventually, Decca Records rejected the Beatles, saying "guitar groups are on the way out".


Sorta says it all really!

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Post subject: Re: Is the guitar based band dying?
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:29 pm
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Trends come and go and come back again. Unfortunately, that damned robot auto tuned effect that's being overused in pop music refuses to let go. :P Why must annoying things be popular? Or am I just an old, curmudgeon stick in the mud? :P

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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:03 pm
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Drew365 wrote:
But I wonder if we aren't seeing a change in attitude, that will some day mean a guitar based band is seen as primitive and out of touch?


Shallow narrow minded people that are trying to be the smartest one in the room may say so, but we have already been through this once. In the early 80's right after the launch of MTV, new wave practically wiped out guitar based bands. They were using synths that hung around your neck and they kind of looked like a guitar, when there was a guitar it was rhythm only. It did not last long, hair bands put most of the synth based bands out of business. I think when it comes to music, nothing ever really dies, it just goes out of style. Look at disco, I have been praying for it to die for 30+ years and it still rears its ugly head every now and then. :roll:

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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:49 pm
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No, they're not. EDM is more popular in dance clubs, but there is
still an audience for bands with guitars.

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Miami Mike wrote:
No, they're not. EDM is more popular in dance clubs, but there is
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This particular concert was an annual affair put on by KROQ, which is the progressive rock station in L.A. I haven't listened to them in a few years, but they don't play EDM.
I'm not proposing that death is imminent. I just feel like there might be the start of a change in attitude. That what we do is looking stone age to the younger generation. The first time I read the "white guy with guitar" description, a few months ago, with the inference that was a bad thing, it kind of shocked me. Now seeing Chris Cornell's talent downplayed, shocked me again.

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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:26 pm
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>>Or am I just an old, curmudgeon stick in the mud?

Yeah, I kind of think so! Hahaha! At least that's what my kids tell me.

Though they do like the idea of acoustic guitar and songs written with sincerity.

Regarding the anti-WGWG sentiment. There's something to that! I'm a white guy and the whole Guitar Hero / Slash image kind of annoys me too... just like hair bands! Just because you can shred with a bazillion effects pedals gets really boring. The real allure to guitar is how you can use it so expressively. Some form of the guitar has been around for hundreds of years. Because of the expressiveness, I doubt it will ever go away!

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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:54 pm
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The real allure to guitar is how you can use it so expressively. Some form of the guitar has been around for hundreds of years. Because of the expressiveness, I doubt it will ever go away!


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Post subject: Re: Is the guitar based band dying?
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:03 pm
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Throughout every form of human endeavor, "Chicken Little" has pontificated such predictions of doom and gloom......the .45 automatic pistol is dead, V8 muscle cars are dead, red meat is dead, vacuum tubes are dead, rock is dead, etcetera, etcetera, ad nauseum.

Somehow he's always been proven to be wrong and I've no doubt it will be so in this case as well. We survived disco, we survived hip hop, and we'll survive this techno-trash. Just squeeze the cheeks tight and wait for the resurrection.

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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:22 am
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Somehow he's always been proven to be wrong and I've no doubt it will be so in this case as well. We survived disco, we survived hip hop, and we'll survive this techno-trash.

Hip-hop changed into rap, and techno mated with disco and begat electronic dance music. Real instrument music will survive, if nothing else because rappers and edm jockeys would be lost without someone to rip samples from.

As for "this techno-trash", that's not too helpful. I'm sure that there are plenty of people who say "this guitar-trash" too. Some great prog artists have used techno as part of a larger repertoire, including Mike Oldfield, Yes, Pink Floyd and Alan Parsons.
And a few techno artists stood on their own feet, including Kraftwerk and Enigma. I wouldn't dismiss them all by saying "techno-trash". I've certainly heard enough guitar trash, without feeling a need to paint the entire genre black.

Is there room for guitar based bands in the future? Certainly.
Is there room for other music too? Absolutely.
Will I like all of it? Certainly not.


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Post subject: Re: Is the guitar based band dying?
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:41 am
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Drew365 wrote:
But I wonder if we aren't seeing a change in attitude, that will some day mean a guitar based band is seen as primitive and out of touch?


Shallow narrow minded people that are trying to be the smartest one in the room may say so, but we have already been through this once. In the early 80's right after the launch of MTV, new wave practically wiped out guitar based bands. They were using synths that hung around your neck and they kind of looked like a guitar, when there was a guitar it was rhythm only. It did not last long, hair bands put most of the synth based bands out of business. I think when it comes to music, nothing ever really dies, it just goes out of style. Look at disco, I have been praying for it to die for 30+ years and it still rears its ugly head every now and then. :roll:

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Yeah, but right as all hope seemed lost, Stevie Ray Vaughan hit the scene and made guitar-based music (Blues, even!) popular again...he was followed by his brother's band (guitar and harmonica-based music) and then Robert Cray, Eric Johnson, etc., as well as a resurgence of older Blues and blues/rock players...

ZZ Top did the impossible...mixed boogie-blues Texas Guitar Squank with synths, and had the two biggest-selling albums of their long and storied career...

...Joe Satriani and Steve Vai and a dozen other melodic shredders made their mark right in the midst of that era as well...

...then the hair metal bands popped up (meh...but at least there were technically good guitar parts in the songs)...

...then ten years on, grunge hit, making a different (more punk-based) guitar trend.

Guitar-based groups and styles ebb and flow, but they always come back. You might not hear a true Stones/Beatles/Who-type guitar band, but the new thing might be cool too. We just have to wait and see.

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Jack White, Dan Auerbach and Ed Sheeran might disagree with the supposition, too...not exactly "pop" music in reference to the first two guys, but they're all known quantities and successful in their endeavors.

I think the critic may be stating an opinion based on his feelings about Mr. Cornell.

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Those kind of comments, reviews and predictions are the result of the short attention span spawned by the likes of The Voice, et all.

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Those kind of comments, reviews and predictions are the result of the short attention span spawned by the likes of The Voice, et all.


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Prolly the same retard who decided that NWA belongs in the R&RHoF.

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