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Post subject: Fat 50' D and G string bad noise
Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:40 pm
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Hi,

I have new 2012 start HSS with fat 50' and diamondback.
trying to set up the pickup height i faced some problems.
fender suggests for vintage neck and bridge PU Low E height 6/64 (2,4 mm), High E - 2.mm. and humbucker 4/64 (2mm).
clean sound great - perfect, I should say. but with distortion D and G strings played individual note gives very bad sound as if one plays several notes. I guess these are overtones. noise is worse with switch position 2 and 4. E and B string gives nise sustained sound.
I put PUs lower into the body around 9/64 (3,5mm) fender suggests for texas specials.
and unpleasant noise is weaker, but anyway not nice one.

anyone have any idea? should I put it even lower into the body?


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Post subject: Re: Fat 50' D and G string bad noise
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:10 am
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Are your strings buzzing any frets?
Are your strings buzzing the pickups?
Maybe your measurements are off?
Nut-tuner tension?
Correct strings for the guitar? Too small?
Factory 10s set of strings suggested? Double check.

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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:41 am
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domikas wrote:
Hi,

I have new 2012 start HSS with fat 50' and diamondback.
trying to set up the pickup height i faced some problems.
fender suggests for vintage neck and bridge PU Low E height 6/64 (2,4 mm), High E - 2.mm. and humbucker 4/64 (2mm).
clean sound great - perfect, I should say. but with distortion D and G strings played individual note gives very bad sound as if one plays several notes. I guess these are overtones. noise is worse with switch position 2 and 4. E and B string gives nise sustained sound.
I put PUs lower into the body around 9/64 (3,5mm) fender suggests for texas specials.
and unpleasant noise is weaker, but anyway not nice one.

anyone have any idea? should I put it even lower into the body?


Welcome.

If your clean sounds are "perfect", I highly suspect whatever you are using for distortion is creating the unwanted oscillation rather than the pickups.

Of course, the further away your pickups are from the strings, the less pronounced your malady will be as the signal to your distortion unit is weaker.

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Post subject: Re: Fat 50' D and G string bad noise
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:11 am
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Martian wrote:
domikas wrote:
Hi, I have new 2012 start HSS with fat 50' and diamondback. trying to set up the pickup height i faced some problems. fender suggests for vintage neck and bridge PU Low E height 6/64 (2,4 mm), High E - 2.mm. and humbucker 4/64 (2mm). clean sound great - perfect, I should say. but with distortion D and G strings played individual note gives very bad sound as if one plays several notes. I guess these are overtones. noise is worse with switch position 2 and 4. E and B string gives nise sustained sound. I put PUs lower into the body around 9/64 (3,5mm) fender suggests for texas specials. and unpleasant noise is weaker, but anyway not nice one. anyone have any idea? should I put it even lower into the body?
Welcome.
If your clean sounds are "perfect", I highly suspect whatever you are using for distortion is creating the unwanted oscillation rather than the pickups.
Of course, the further away your pickups are from the strings, the less pronounced your malady will be as the signal to your distortion unit is weaker.


Hi, Martian. All distances will make some difference. Do you feel raising
the string action 1/16th of an inch REALLY makes a huge noticiable difference?
1/20th 1/32nd 1/64th???
A difference that volume tone or gain controls cannot make up to avoid string buzzing?
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Post subject: Re: Fat 50' D and G string bad noise
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:20 am
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just clarify some points.
*it's not fret buzz.
*not strings (these are 9' that is susggested by feder)
*also distortion is probably not the issue, cause I have same results, with bigMuffbass and also MXR GT-OD and also with fender HRD internal amp overdrive.
and also keeping in mind that high E and B strings works perfectly.


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Post subject: Re: Fat 50' D and G string bad noise
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:02 am
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How about . . . . .

The two fat lower strings are being picked up by two magnets instead of one magnet????

That has to be the solution :lol:

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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:15 am
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Toppscore wrote:
Hi, Martian. All distances will make some difference. Do you feel raising
the string action 1/16th of an inch REALLY makes a huge noticiable difference?
1/20th 1/32nd 1/64th???
A difference that volume tone or gain controls cannot make up to avoid string buzzing?
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Greetings. Yes, I believe I stated that. Frankly and in this context, I do not dwell on the minutiae of what a specific fraction measurement will or won't do. Properly setting up any guitar involves many variables where the winning combination is oftentimes, unique to the individual instrument. Truth be told, I've never set up and instrument using preordained measurements as to me, they are purely a generic, safe formula for the novice.

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Post subject: Re: Fat 50' D and G string bad noise
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:22 am
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domikas wrote:
just clarify some points.
*it's not fret buzz.
*not strings (these are 9' that is susggested by feder)
*also distortion is probably not the issue, cause I have same results, with bigMuffbass and also MXR GT-OD and also with fender HRD internal amp overdrive.
and also keeping in mind that high E and B strings works perfectly.


I guess I should clarify one of my points as well: It is not the specific brand of the distortion unit. Rather, it is how the unit is set in conjunction with the amp where either or both are evidently incompatible with the pickup(s) of this specific guitar. Again, the statement where on clean, the guitar sounds "perfect" implies harmonic distress in the signal chain once the "perfect" signal is altered.

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Post subject: Re: Fat 50' D and G string bad noise
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:30 am
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Martian wrote:
domikas wrote:
just clarify some points.
*it's not fret buzz.
*not strings (these are 9' that is susggested by feder)
*also distortion is probably not the issue, cause I have same results, with bigMuffbass and also MXR GT-OD and also with fender HRD internal amp overdrive.
and also keeping in mind that high E and B strings works perfectly.


I guess I should clarify one of my points as well: It is not the specific brand of the distortion unit. Rather, it is how the unit is set in conjunction with the amp where either or both are evidently incompatible with the pickup(s) of this specific guitar. Again, the statement where on clean, the guitar sounds "perfect" implies harmonic distress in the signal chain once the "perfect" signal is altered.



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Post subject: Re: Fat 50' D and G string bad noise
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:35 pm
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Martian wrote:

I guess I should clarify one of my points as well: It is not the specific brand of the distortion unit. Rather, it is how the unit is set in conjunction with the amp where either or both are evidently incompatible with the pickup(s) of this specific guitar. Again, the statement where on clean, the guitar sounds "perfect" implies harmonic distress in the signal chain once the "perfect" signal is altered.


shouldn't noise be on all strings? FAT 50'has D and G string polepieces tilted a lot compared to other.
in picture is not my guitar, but the pickup is the same:
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:15 pm
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domikas wrote:
Martian wrote:

I guess I should clarify one of my points as well: It is not the specific brand of the distortion unit. Rather, it is how the unit is set in conjunction with the amp where either or both are evidently incompatible with the pickup(s) of this specific guitar. Again, the statement where on clean, the guitar sounds "perfect" implies harmonic distress in the signal chain once the "perfect" signal is altered.


shouldn't noise be on all strings? FAT 50'has D and G string polepieces tilted a lot compared to other.
in picture is not my guitar, but the pickup is the same...


Not necessarily. Look at this logically: What is a distortion unit? It is a device to upset or scramble to varying degrees as set, the pure signal of what gets processed through it. Consequently, altering or literally degrading the pure signal. Again, settings in the wrong combination can and obviously do confine themselves to one particular guitar as is evident here.

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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:39 pm
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Martian. The guitar is fine?
The post guitar signal processing is the problem?

Thanks. Toppscore :)

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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:35 am
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Toppscore wrote:
Martian. The guitar is fine?
The post guitar signal processing is the problem?

Thanks. Toppscore :)


Yes to both.

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Post subject: Re: Fat 50' D and G string bad noise
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:30 pm
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Martian wrote:
Not necessarily. Look at this logically: What is a distortion unit? It is a device to upset or scramble to varying degrees as set, the pure signal of what gets processed through it. Consequently, altering or literally degrading the pure signal. Again, settings in the wrong combination can and obviously do confine themselves to one particular guitar as is evident here.


I put pickupas 3,9mm bass side and 2,9mm treble side
Distortion is :
1. big muff bass - not so bad overtones.
2. mxr GT-OD - very bad overtone.
3. fender hot rod deluxe internal OD. - same as GT-OD.

when I roll off high frequencies with tone knob, this harsh overtones becomes more bearable.

again clean is fine.

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Post subject: Re: Fat 50' D and G string bad noise
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:51 pm
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domikas wrote:
Martian wrote:
Not necessarily. Look at this logically: What is a distortion unit? It is a device to upset or scramble to varying degrees as set, the pure signal of what gets processed through it. Consequently, altering or literally degrading the pure signal. Again, settings in the wrong combination can and obviously do confine themselves to one particular guitar as is evident here.


I put pickupas 3,9mm bass side and 2,9mm treble side
Distortion is :
1. big muff bass - not so bad overtones.
2. mxr GT-OD - very bad overtone.
3. fender hot rod deluxe internal OD. - same as GT-OD.
when I roll off high frequencies with tone knob, this harsh overtones becomes more bearable. again clean is fine. D.


Just wondering. I thought since the clean channel is perfect, that we were getting
away from guitar problems? Obviously adjusting the pickup height was a zero.
Can you isolate different amps and different pedals to check for changes?
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