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Post subject: Pleading for help from AndyBigHair!
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:16 am
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I have read a few posts on this forum where Anybighair has helped - Andy, if you are out there, can you please help?

I am looking to mod my squier standard strat to the following:

Bridge - SD JB or PG
Mid- Fender Texas Special
Neck - DM ToneZone or BC

I want to use a standard 5 way switch, with the following additions:

- S1 switch to split both humbuckers when engaged, leave them full hum when not
- blender pot to add in neck/bridge
- Master Volume/Master Tone/Blend Pots

My thinking is that, if this works, I can get all of the standard "strat" single-coil sounds, plus the neck/bridge single coil "tele" sound. Also, with the full hums engaged, I can get the "fat Strat" type sounds, as well as the Neck Hum/Bridge Hum heavy-heavy sound. I have looked far and near for a wiring diagram, and can only seem to get parts of this scheme on any given wiring diagram - but never the full schematic. I will also defer to your expertise on advice for cap and pot values.

Also, no real rush on this, so take your time - I am expecting to take on this mod project around year-end.

Thanks!!


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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:03 am
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Howdy & Welcome!

I reckon that's all do-able. :D

Only bit I'm not 100% on (I haven't got my wiring head with me today) is the possible phasing issues you may entail when using 3 different brands of pickup. I'm aware that both Duncan's and DiMarzio's will be out of phase with the Texas special, so I'm thinking that swapping both humbuckers hot and ground wires may sort it out.

If anyone else "In the know" is reading this, feel free to chip in and either confirm the above or set me straight, please.

Once we get that bit confirmed, I'll get started on a diagram for you.

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Also, no real rush on this, so take your time - I am expecting to take on this mod project around year-end.

Now, that's deadline I can work with! :lol:

Cheers!

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Post subject: Re: Pleading for help from AndyBigHair!
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:49 am
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Thanks for the help, Andy! I do see on the SD website that if your other pups are Fender, then you need to "reverse the green and black wires on the Duncan". Also, I am wondering if I should get a middle Texas Special (RW/RP) or would getting a neck or bridge model correct the phasing?


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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:06 pm
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IronSchef wrote:
Thanks for the help, Andy! I do see on the SD website that if your other pups are Fender, then you need to "reverse the green and black wires on the Duncan". Also, I am wondering if I should get a middle Texas Special (RW/RP) or would getting a neck or bridge model correct the phasing?


You can dig a hole deeper and deeper here. The fact that Duncan and DiMarzios are 'naturally' out of phase with each other will render the middle single coil non-humbucking in one of either positions 2 or 4, depending on which one of the "D" brand pickups you choose to reverse the phasing on. This is directly dependent on which way the middle pickup is wound and phased. Consequently, getting a Fender RW/RP just literally reverses which combo shall give you the problem. Then comes which coil will get cut. Again, depending on which phasing you choose, depends on which coil shall be cut or retained. Here too, you would have to rewire the coil configuration of one or both of the humbuckers to not only select the proper coil you want on (or off) but then there's the old phasing issue again where even here, more wires would have to be flipped. IMO and YMMV, your best bet is to get a stack or rails single slot HB for the middle position.

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Post subject: Re: Pleading for help from AndyBigHair!
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:50 am
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Hi Martian,

Thanks for weighing in. I can see that my ambitious idea might be getting me in trouble here! I may actually scale back the mod to a more traditional HSS set-up now.

Boy, I am glad I ran this up the flagpole before I purchased anything!!


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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:04 am
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IronSchef wrote:
Hi Martian,

Thanks for weighing in. I can see that my ambitious idea might be getting me in trouble here! I may actually scale back the mod to a more traditional HSS set-up now.

Boy, I am glad I ran this up the flagpole before I purchased anything!!


Greetings!

You're quite welcome.

We are glad too as the ubiquitous "Buyer's Remorse" runs rampant around here.

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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:23 am
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Martian wrote:
IronSchef wrote:
Thanks for the help, Andy! I do see on the SD website that if your other pups are Fender, then you need to "reverse the green and black wires on the Duncan". Also, I am wondering if I should get a middle Texas Special (RW/RP) or would getting a neck or bridge model correct the phasing?


You can dig a hole deeper and deeper here. The fact that Duncan and DiMarzios are 'naturally' out of phase with each other will render the middle single coil non-humbucking in one of either positions 2 or 4, depending on which one of the "D" brand pickups you choose to reverse the phasing on. This is directly dependent on which way the middle pickup is wound and phased. Consequently, getting a Fender RW/RP just literally reverses which combo shall give you the problem. Then comes which coil will get cut. Again, depending on which phasing you choose, depends on which coil shall be cut or retained. Here too, you would have to rewire the coil configuration of one or both of the humbuckers to not only select the proper coil you want on (or off) but then there's the old phasing issue again where even here, more wires would have to be flipped. IMO and YMMV, your best bet is to get a stack or rails single slot HB for the middle position.

Thanks for this, Martian. Great post! :D

I really struggle to get my head round phasing issues on a good day, but factor multiple brands and I'm completely lost!

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IronSchef wrote:
Hi Martian,

Thanks for weighing in. I can see that my ambitious idea might be getting me in trouble here! I may actually scale back the mod to a more traditional HSS set-up now.

Boy, I am glad I ran this up the flagpole before I purchased anything!!


Greetings!

You're quite welcome.

We are glad too as the ubiquitous "Buyer's Remorse" runs rampant around here.

Good to catch one before both sonic and financial failure hits home!

Feel free to keep us posted on your project & best of luck!

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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:54 am
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Andybighair wrote:
Martian wrote:
You can dig a hole deeper and deeper here. The fact that Duncan and DiMarzios are 'naturally' out of phase with each other will render the middle single coil non-humbucking in one of either positions 2 or 4, depending on which one of the "D" brand pickups you choose to reverse the phasing on. This is directly dependent on which way the middle pickup is wound and phased. Consequently, getting a Fender RW/RP just literally reverses which combo shall give you the problem. Then comes which coil will get cut. Again, depending on which phasing you choose, depends on which coil shall be cut or retained. Here too, you would have to rewire the coil configuration of one or both of the humbuckers to not only select the proper coil you want on (or off) but then there's the old phasing issue again where even here, more wires would have to be flipped. IMO and YMMV, your best bet is to get a stack or rails single slot HB for the middle position.

Thanks for this, Martian. Great post! :D

I really struggle to get my head round phasing issues on a good day, but factor multiple brands and I'm completely lost! Andy


I thank you! Yes, it can be extremely confusing if one is not used to it and doesn't deal with it regularly.

I firmly believe that many a given pickup manufacturer refuses to 'standardize' their polarities among all the other major brands so that the buying public will not mix and match said manufacturer's pickups with other brands. Compounding this, even if all the major manufacturers did decide to 'standardize', it would probably get into a heated pissing contest over who is going to conform to whom where this alone would prevent the conformance from ever happening.

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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:36 am
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Martian wrote:
I thank you! Yes, it can be extremely confusing if one is not used to it and doesn't deal with it regularly.

Agreed! A proper brain ache for a hobbyist like me and to make things worse I'm working less and less on guitars and more for the "Man" these days. Which is a shame as I was just starting to get the hang of things! :lol:

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I firmly believe that many a given pickup manufacturer refuses to 'standardize' their polarities among all the other major brands so that the buying public will not mix and match said manufacturer's pickups with other brands. Compounding this, even if all the major manufacturers did decide to 'standardize', it would probably get into a heated pissing contest over who is going to conform to whom where this alone would prevent the conformance from ever happening.

Now, that would be handy!

Perhaps you could "persuade" them all to agree to do it your way instead...

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Job done! :D

Cheers!

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Andybighair wrote:
Martian wrote:
I thank you! Yes, it can be extremely confusing if one is not used to it and doesn't deal with it regularly.

Agreed! A proper brain ache for a hobbyist like me and to make things worse I'm working less and less on guitars and more for the "Man" these days. Which is a shame as I was just starting to get the hang of things! :lol:

Martian wrote:
I firmly believe that many a given pickup manufacturer refuses to 'standardize' their polarities among all the other major brands so that the buying public will not mix and match said manufacturer's pickups with other brands. Compounding this, even if all the major manufacturers did decide to 'standardize', it would probably get into a heated pissing contest over who is going to conform to whom where this alone would prevent the conformance from ever happening.

Now, that would be handy!

Perhaps you could "persuade" them all to agree to do it your way instead...

Image

Job done! :D

Cheers!

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'd love to do that to some of the so called, "techs" out and about these days!!!

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