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Post subject: American Standard Strat pickups
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:47 pm
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Has anyone tried replacing the non staggered alnico 5 pole pieces in the 2010 Am Std Strat pickup with the StewMac staggered pole pieces. What were the results?

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Post subject: Re: American Standard Strat pickups
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:07 pm
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I hope this is what you are asking about.

The "modern" stagger 2010 pickups have the "G" pole piece lower on the pickup. The difference is the G string will sound louder than the rest of the strings. The Vintage Stagger was for use with a "wound" G string which needed the pole raised up.


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Post subject: Re: American Standard Strat pickups
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:16 pm
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I was actually talking about the difference in magnet height. The 2010 stock magnets are identical in height, and just staggered by pushing them up or down in the plastic bobbin. The staggered magnets from StewMac are in fact, different in actual height.

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Post subject: Re: American Standard Strat pickups
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:28 pm
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The individual string that has the longer magnet will sound louder. That's all there is. The magnetism is not any stronger because of the length of the pole piece.


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Post subject: Re: American Standard Strat pickups
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:57 pm
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91Stratplayer wrote:
The individual string that has the longer magnet will sound louder. That's all there is. The magnetism is not any stronger because of the length of the pole piece.


I would agree with that. Going with what you are saying, there is probably going to be an overall tonal change due to equalization changes on the individual strings. Do you agree?

If so, I think there could be a change in the pickup sound. Whether it would be worth the magnet change is why I asked my original question.

I don't like the idea of the pole pieces pushed up through the bobbin for the appearance of a vintage stagger, so I pushed my pole pieces on my 2010 AM STD Stratocaster pickups flush with the bottom of the pickup. I like the smoothness of the stock pickups, but would like a little more edge, but not too much like a set of 57/62's or Fat 50's give me.

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Post subject: Re: American Standard Strat pickups
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:11 pm
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So your not taking into account the radius of the neck/bridge in relation to the individual pole piece stagger?

Magnets from any manufacturer, even within Fender, may be stronger or weaker do to the way they are magnetized at the plant. This will change the tone. The Windings have more to do with tone change than the magnets do.


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Post subject: Re: American Standard Strat pickups
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:14 pm
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rjake wrote:
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...there is probably going to be an overall tonal change due to equalization changes on the individual strings. Do you agree?

If so, I think there could be a change in the pickup sound. Whether it would be worth the magnet change is why I asked my original question.


No, the frequency response does not change as nothing in terms of the pickup's construction has changed. Meaning, same coil winding, same magnet type/strength/size, etc. Therefore, only the volume of the individual string will change depending on whether the magnetic pole is closer or further away than it originally was. Of note is the fact that additionally, the volume of said individual string will fluctuate as you bend it across staggered polepieces vs. even ones.

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Post subject: Re: American Standard Strat pickups
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:28 pm
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So what you are saying Martian, is that there will be no tonal difference between staggered and flush magnets, providing they are identical construction and diameter?

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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:59 pm
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rjake wrote:
So what you are saying Martian, is that there will be no tonal difference between staggered and flush magnets, providing they are identical construction and diameter?


Provided they are of identical construction, diameter and charge. The only problem is, the average consumer has no way of knowing for sure until after they are installed.

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Post subject: Re: American Standard Strat pickups
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:39 pm
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Martian wrote:
rjake wrote:
So what you are saying Martian, is that there will be no tonal difference between staggered and flush magnets, providing they are identical construction and diameter?


Provided they are of identical construction, diameter and charge. The only problem is, the average consumer has no way of knowing for sure until after they are installed.


Thanks, M. I don't have a gauss meter, and StewMac pole pieces are shipped demagnetized, so you have to charge them yourself. This may be an interesting experiment. It could be a waste of money, but what the heck, I'll contribute to economic recovery.

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Post subject: Re: American Standard Strat pickups
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:52 pm
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rjake wrote:
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rjake wrote:
So what you are saying Martian, is that there will be no tonal difference between staggered and flush magnets, providing they are identical construction and diameter?


Provided they are of identical construction, diameter and charge. The only problem is, the average consumer has no way of knowing for sure until after they are installed.


Thanks, M. I don't have a gauss meter, and StewMac pole pieces are shipped demagnetized, so you have to charge them yourself. This may be an interesting experiment. It could be a waste of money, but what the heck, I'll contribute to economic recovery.


You're welcome and good luck!

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Post subject: Re: American Standard Strat pickups
Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:52 am
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Hi Martian,

I am a new member, but I'm beeing reading a lot of posts because I thinking of changing the stock PU from a MIM strat and I always like your opinions. So... I was looking at the stock PU from the Standar MIA strats due to the price :D (I'm from Uruguay, and the economy is not so good in here :oops: ). My question is, this will change (in a good way) the sound of my guitar? Or should I make a step forward and go for somthing else like CS'69 or TS (higher prices)? Or what do you recomend? I want sparkly cleans and I like vintage sound too. Sorry if I'm not pretty clear, english is certainly not my mother's thong. I play from clapton to Jimi Hendrix... How the MIA PU will handle some of distortion? At the moment I have a Tone Zone S on the bridge position. Sholud I replace this PU too with the MIA one?
I'm not a pro, this is just a hobby to me. But I'm been playing for 10 years and I will play till the day I die...

Thanks in advance!


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Post subject: Re: American Standard Strat pickups
Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:29 am
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Metalpelado wrote:
Hi Martian,

I am a new member, but I'm seeing reading a lot of posts because I thinking of changing the stock PU from a MIM Strat and I always like your opinions. So... I was looking at the stock PU from the Standard MIA Strats due to the price :D (I'm from Uruguay, and the economy is not so good in here :oops: ). My question is, this will change (in a good way) the sound of my guitar? Or should I make a step forward and go for something else like CS'69 or TS (higher prices)? Or what do you recommend? I want sparkly cleans and I like vintage sound too. Sorry if I'm not pretty clear, english is certainly not my mother's thong. I play from Clapton to Jimi Hendrix... How the MIA PU will handle some of distortion? At the moment I have a Tone Zone S on the bridge position. Should I replace this PU too with the MIA one?
I'm not a pro, this is just a hobby to me. But I'm been playing for 10 years and I will play till the day I die...

Thanks in advance!


Welcome!

I have no trouble understanding you at all. Your English is fine and I congratulate you on it.

All of your requirements considered, the stock pickups from a MIA Strat will serve you quite well.

Again, based on your requirements, the Tone Zone is not appropriate for you. Of course, a MIA Strat pickup will not distort as much as a Tone Zone but the MIA pickup will still do the job for you quite well.

I thank you for your confidence in me and you're welcome.

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Post subject: Re: American Standard Strat pickups
Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:41 pm
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rjake wrote:
Has anyone tried replacing the non staggered alnico 5 pole pieces in the 2010 Am Std Strat pickup with the StewMac staggered pole pieces. What were the results?


I see two questions;

1- What sound with staggered pole piece ?

2- What is the quality of Stew Mac pu ?

I replace my Strat 1995's pu by some JS Moore pu . Night and day .


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Post subject: Re: American Standard Strat pickups
Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:34 pm
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stratele52 wrote:
rjake wrote:
Has anyone tried replacing the non staggered alnico 5 pole pieces in the 2010 Am Std Strat pickup with the StewMac staggered pole pieces. What were the results?


I see two questions;

1- What sound with staggered pole piece ?

2- What is the quality of Stew Mac pu ?

I replace my Strat 1995's pu by some JS Moore pu . Night and day .


I answer two questions:

1- Same as non-staggered if the strength and quality of the magnet is the same. The only difference would be the string to string balance, one to the other where the heavier the gauge string set, the more noticeable it would be. Conversely, with even polepieces and a lighter gauge, it really doesn't matter all that much where the frequency response would be slightly expanded.

2- Same as other Asian imports such as those OEM to Epiphone, etc.

I replace many Strat pickups with many other brand names. Night and day too.

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