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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:25 pm
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Well? What happened?

Well,well,well,Finally got to solder the.0047 and frankly there is less of that muddy sound on the low strings,probably changed a bit the rest of the high strings.For now I'll leave it as is,since I don't dig having the strat disassembled.Probably in the future i'll try the .0033 just to experiment some more.So far I can say It got a bit better to my liking.Which I guess is the point.


Well, I am glad you like it. I still I think all you have done is fix the symptom without really finding out and fixing the real problem.


But if the muddyness would reside on something else I wouldn't know since thats why I asked the question in the first place.What would you think the real problem is sky ?We talked about pickup height already.Whats left?Has a 500vol. pot & (2) 250s tone


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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:58 am
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But if the muddyness would reside on something else I wouldn't know since thats why I asked the question in the first place.What would you think the real problem is sky ?We talked about pickup height already.Whats left?Has a 500vol. pot & (2) 250s tone


You were advised on several occasions that all pots used with the SCNs should be 250K, not 500K. You were also given advice multiple times on pickup height settings and settings to use on your amp. I have no idea what "bassy" and "muddy" mean to you. For whatever reason, you have chosen to ignore all the advice given to you and instead cludged up a capacitor which in my opinion is the totally wrong approach. You need to review this entire thread and look at all the recommendations made.

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:10 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
You need to review this entire thread and look at all the recommendations made.


+1

I bought two loaded pickguards off of Ebay about four years ago, both of them configured with the factory-spec SCN/S-1 system.

I dropped them into their respective guitars, set the pickup heights (once!), and never looked back.

No muss, no fuss, done deal.

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:05 pm
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You need to review this entire thread and look at all the recommendations made.


+1

I bought two loaded pickguards off of Ebay about four years ago, both of them configured with the factory-spec SCN/S-1 system.

I dropped them into their respective guitars, set the pickup heights (once!), and never looked back.

No muss, no fuss, done deal.

Arjay


Yeah. I really don't understand what the supposed problem is. I would be willing to bet that if the OP plugged the guitar into a different amp he would complain about a lack of bass.

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:03 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
bluesky636 wrote:
You need to review this entire thread and look at all the recommendations made.


+1

I bought two loaded pickguards off of Ebay about four years ago, both of them configured with the factory-spec SCN/S-1 system.

I dropped them into their respective guitars, set the pickup heights (once!), and never looked back.

No muss, no fuss, done deal.

Arjay


So both pickguards assemblies have 250k pots right?I wonder why mine came with the 500k volume from factory or was installed by any other previous owners?And if so ?for what reason?


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:06 pm
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carlstrat wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
bluesky636 wrote:
You need to review this entire thread and look at all the recommendations made.


+1

I bought two loaded pickguards off of Ebay about four years ago, both of them configured with the factory-spec SCN/S-1 system.

I dropped them into their respective guitars, set the pickup heights (once!), and never looked back.

No muss, no fuss, done deal.

Arjay




So both pickguards assemblies have 250k pots right?I wonder why mine came with the 500k volume from factory or was installed by any other previous owners?And if so ?for what reason?

but at the same time I read this on the internet.(500k audio taper. I’m using 500k here because the noiseless pickups are, technically, humbuckers) so it gets a bit confusing.fender says one thing but others do different mods.


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:14 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
bluesky636 wrote:
You need to review this entire thread and look at all the recommendations made.


+1

I bought two loaded pickguards off of Ebay about four years ago, both of them configured with the factory-spec SCN/S-1 system.

I dropped them into their respective guitars, set the pickup heights (once!), and never looked back.

No muss, no fuss, done deal.

Arjay


Yeah. I really don't understand what the supposed problem is. I would be willing to bet that if the OP plugged the guitar into a different amp he would complain about a lack of bass.

As I said before I'm testing it on this amp,and not worried about another amp but you seem to keep bringing it up .


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:39 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
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But if the muddyness would reside on something else I wouldn't know since thats why I asked the question in the first place.What would you think the real problem is sky ?We talked about pickup height already.Whats left?Has a 500vol. pot & (2) 250s tone


You were advised on several occasions that all pots used with the SCNs should be 250K, not 500K. You were also given advice multiple times on pickup height settings and settings to use on your amp. I have no idea what "bassy" and "muddy" mean to you. For whatever reason, you have chosen to ignore all the advice given to you and instead cludged up a capacitor which in my opinion is the totally wrong approach. You need to review this entire thread and look at all the recommendations made.

The WHATEVER REASON I'VE CHOSE AND IGNORED ALL THE ADVICE was that i CHOSE what MARTIAN said cause I found it easier to acomplish than to unsolder the 500k vol pot.So I decided to MARTIANS specs to CLUDGED UP a capacitor in there.You told me about pick up height I TRIED ALL adjustments posible... left it at your desired settings,but still is not for my liking(I APOLIGIZE for that).You're judging MARTIANS method wrong And I'm simply following what for me is more simple to acomplish before removing(hence buying ) a new vol. pot.Like I said before I still have two more caps to try out.Sorry If I didn't try your method first,but you should relax a bit and read yourself again cause your a bit hostile or you taking this to seriously.


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:07 pm
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The simple fact is, you have no idea why your guitar sounds bad to you. I won't waste any more of your time trying to figure out what is wrong.

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:35 pm
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So both pickguards assemblies have 250k pots right?I wonder why mine came with the 500k volume from factory or was installed by any other previous owners?And if so ?for what reason?


Correct, sir.

All three pots, 250K. The solder joints appeared untouched and both loaded pickguards were listed by their respective sellers as "new - unused".

One of the sets appeared older than the other -- on that one, the pickup covers had a faint "SCN" embossed into each pickup cover.

It might be be that your 500K volume pot was some type of factory mod or upgrade that Fender decided was necessary after these pickup types had been in the field for a while.

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:37 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
carlstrat wrote:
So both pickguards assemblies have 250k pots right?I wonder why mine came with the 500k volume from factory or was installed by any other previous owners?And if so ?for what reason?


Correct, sir.

All three pots, 250K. The solder joints appeared untouched and both loaded pickguards were listed by their respective sellers as "new - unused".

One of the sets appeared older than the other -- on that one, the pickup covers had a faint "SCN" embossed into each pickup cover.

It might be be that your 500K volume pot was some type of factory mod or upgrade that Fender decided was necessary after these pickup types had been in the field for a while.

HTH

Arjay

Mine also have the SCN on the covers.If I can figure it out I can post a pic. of the back as when I bought.I'll see if I can.


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:42 am
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carlstrat wrote:
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So both pickguards assemblies have 250k pots right?I wonder why mine came with the 500k volume from factory or was installed by any other previous owners?And if so ?for what reason?


Correct, sir.

All three pots, 250K. The solder joints appeared untouched and both loaded pickguards were listed by their respective sellers as "new - unused".

One of the sets appeared older than the other -- on that one, the pickup covers had a faint "SCN" embossed into each pickup cover.

It might be be that your 500K volume pot was some type of factory mod or upgrade that Fender decided was necessary after these pickup types had been in the field for a while.

HTH

Arjay

Mine also have the SCN on the covers.If I can figure it out I can post a pic. of the back as when I bought.I'll see if I can.

My pickguard is used and it has standard parchment guard.


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:52 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
carlstrat wrote:
So both pickguards assemblies have 250k pots right?I wonder why mine came with the 500k volume from factory or was installed by any other previous owners?And if so ?for what reason?


Correct, sir.

All three pots, 250K. The solder joints appeared untouched and both loaded pickguards were listed by their respective sellers as "new - unused".

One of the sets appeared older than the other -- on that one, the pickup covers had a faint "SCN" embossed into each pickup cover.

It might be be that your 500K volume pot was some type of factory mod or upgrade that Fender decided was necessary after these pickup types had been in the field for a while.

HTH

Arjay

I thought I read a similar comment on 500k vol. pots,but wasn't precise as to what year the mod was istalled on or why.


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:46 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
The simple fact is, you have no idea why your guitar sounds bad to you. I won't waste any more of your time trying to figure out what is wrong.

well your right about that!I have no idea why my guitar sounds bad to me(thats why we met).2nd your not waisting my time & and thanks for giving me yours.I been searching the net to see what I could find......This is pretty interesting to me http://www.harmonycentral.com/products/9800


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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:19 am
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well your right about that!I have no idea why my guitar sounds bad to me(thats why we met).2nd your not waisting my time & and thanks for giving me yours.I been searching the net to see what I could find......This is pretty interesting to me http://www.harmonycentral.com/products/9800


Eh. I've read all that. I rarely pay attention to Harmony Central reviews. The reviews are all over the place (as is typical of anything). The fact is, pickups are an extremely personal choice. Their sound can be heavily influenced by the guitar setup, pedals, amp settings, and your playing technique. Some pickups are harder to dial in than others. I still tweek the pickups on all my guitars to see if I can get a better sound out of them. Invariably, I end up going back to how I had them set before the latest tweek (For example, I have switched back and forth between "Vintage" and "Modern" wiring schemes several times in all my guitars before finally deciding I prefer the "Modern" wiring.")

The issue I have with just adding a cap as you have done (even though it is reversable) is that it only affects the sympton (muddy bass) without really addressing the root cause of the problem. I have no idea what "muddy" sounds like to you. To me or others, your pickups may sound "smooth" or "mellow". You also say that you are only interested in how they sound with your current amp. Well, what happens if you play though a different amp, either at a jam session at a friend's house, or a gig, or you just decide to buy a better amp? If the pickups now sound thin and lacking in bass, you pull out the cap. This would point the finger to the amp as the problem which is why I recommended you test with the best clean setting the amp can produce or try a different amp. You need to hear the pickups without out any influence of the amp.

Good luck with sorting things out. Taking the easy way out is not always the best thing to do in the long run.

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