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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:33 am
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Carlstrat:

I'll be honest with you. I think playing with caps to try and reduce bass response is just throwing parts at the problem without really understanding the cause of the problem. You are treating the symptoms as opposed to knowing the cause of the disease. I would never characterize the sound of my SCNs as bass heavy. Slightly warm, yes. That is my preference. But bass heavy? No.

Is this your only guitar? If not, what other guitar are you comparing it to that leads you to believe the SCNs are bass heavy? What amp are you using? What are your tone settings? Are you using any pedals? All of these can have an effect on the sound of a guitar and should be addressed before making random wiring changes. Yes, doing what Martian suggests will reduce the bass. But the next amp you plug into may make your guitar sound like a screeching banshee. Think about the total picture before attacking one part of it.

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:44 am
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they were low 4mm bass side 4.5 treble neck, 5 mm bass & 4.5 mm middle & bridge.Adjusted the neck a bit up & down with no change and left it at its original position.


Sorry. Just read this post.

You do realize that the low E on the neck pickup is closer to the string than the high E is? That will definitely cause heavier bass on the neck. You are pressing the string down at the last fret, right?

My settings are 12/64" on the low E and 11/64" on the high E for all pickups. That translates to 4.8 mm for the low E and 4.4 mm for the high E with each string pressed down at the last fret. I then manage the overall tone with the tone controls on my BDRI.

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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:01 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
Carlstrat:

I'll be honest with you. I think playing with caps to try and reduce bass response is just throwing parts at the problem without really understanding the cause of the problem. You are treating the symptoms as opposed to knowing the cause of the disease. I would never characterize the sound of my SCNs as bass heavy. Slightly warm, yes. That is my preference. But bass heavy? No.

Is this your only guitar? If not, what other guitar are you comparing it to that leads you to believe the SCNs are bass heavy? What amp are you using? What are your tone settings? Are you using any pedals? All of these can have an effect on the sound of a guitar and should be addressed before making random wiring changes. Yes, doing what Martian suggests will reduce the bass. But the next amp you plug into may make your guitar sound like a screeching banshee. Think about the total picture before attacking one part of it.

Good luck. I got nothing else.

Hi,my other pickguard has single coils 5.8k all around.My amp is a vox valvetronix With 22 amps settings.So I did try on different ones.don't have any pedals.have rosewood fingerboard know that maple wold be more clearer.I'm not comparing it to any other guitar it's a personal preference.I won't be doing ramdom wiring changes just adding a cap between 5 way switch and volume a suggested by Martian until I can find a sweet spot that I like.I do appreciate your help and time answering my post and info given.


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:14 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
carlstrat wrote:
they were low 4mm bass side 4.5 treble neck, 5 mm bass & 4.5 mm middle & bridge.Adjusted the neck a bit up & down with no change and left it at its original position.


Sorry. Just read this post.

You do realize that the low E on the neck pickup is closer to the string than the high E is? That will definitely cause heavier bass on the neck. You are pressing the string down at the last fret, right?

My settings are 12/64" on the low E and 11/64" on the high E for all pickups. That translates to 4.8 mm for the low E and 4.4 mm for the high E with each string pressed down at the last fret. I then manage the overall tone with the tone controls on my BDRI.

I did the adjustment to 4.8mm low E & 4.4mm high e strings pressed down at last fret and to me sounded the same.I will adjust to this same settings as to your opinion when mounting the guard again.Have read on other places that they do go lower than other pickups but only you gave me a measurement (while also the pickups allready on the pickguard set) as I bought it were much lower compared to my allready existing single pickups I had.Thanks again you've been of great help to me also.


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:43 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
Carlstrat:

I'll be honest with you. I think playing with caps to try and reduce bass response is just throwing parts at the problem without really understanding the cause of the problem. You are treating the symptoms as opposed to knowing the cause of the disease. I would never characterize the sound of my SCNs as bass heavy. Slightly warm, yes. That is my preference. But bass heavy? No.

Is this your only guitar? If not, what other guitar are you comparing it to that leads you to believe the SCNs are bass heavy? What amp are you using? What are your tone settings? Are you using any pedals? All of these can have an effect on the sound of a guitar and should be addressed before making random wiring changes. Yes, doing what Martian suggests will reduce the bass. But the next amp you plug into may make your guitar sound like a screeching banshee. Think about the total picture before attacking one part of it.

Good luck. I got nothing else.


I can send you a link to the Greasebucket diagram I used when I get home later.

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I'm getting mixed signals..Don't play with caps? I can send a link to greasebucket diagram?What is a greasebucket then?thought it was a cap & resistor bleed circuit.Sorry for my ignorance bluesky.I'm new at this.At moments i'm a little bit lost.


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:29 pm
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carlstrat wrote:
I'm getting mixed signals..Don't play with caps? I can send a link to greasebucket diagram?What is a greasebucket then?thought it was a cap & resistor bleed circuit.Sorry for my ignorance bluesky.I'm new at this.At moments i'm a little bit lost.


I merely mentioned the Greasebucket in passing. It has nothing to do with what Martian is recommending. It is just a variation on the circuit used with the tone pots. It allows you to roll off highs without the pickup becomming muddy. The pickup doesn't sound as bassy. If your problem is occurring more when you roll down the tone controls, it might help though, as it does roll off the bass slightly.

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:38 pm
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carlstrat wrote:
Hi,my other pickguard has single coils 5.8k all around.My amp is a vox valvetronix With 22 amps settings.So I did try on different ones.don't have any pedals.have rosewood fingerboard know that maple wold be more clearer.I'm not comparing it to any other guitar it's a personal preference.I won't be doing ramdom wiring changes just adding a cap between 5 way switch and volume a suggested by Martian until I can find a sweet spot that I like.I do appreciate your help and time answering my post and info given.


The only amp setting you should be using when evaluating the pickup sound is the cleanest one that your amp has.

The SCNs are wound hotter than regular single coils. I would have to check, but I think the neck and middle are around 7K and the bridge 11.5K. That difference, in conjunction with being noiseless, will make them sound considerably different from the regular single coils. If you are using the same amp tone settings with the SCNs that you are with the single coils, you may have to make adjustments to the amp tone settings. I know that I had to do so when I went from the stock ceramic single coils (very bright and noisy) that came with my guitar to the SCNs (warmer/smoother and quieter). That is what I mean by looking at the whole picture. Changing pickups often requires other changes in your setup. Those changes should be investigated before making wiring changes.

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:20 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
carlstrat wrote:
I'm getting mixed signals..Don't play with caps? I can send a link to greasebucket diagram?What is a greasebucket then?thought it was a cap & resistor bleed circuit.Sorry for my ignorance bluesky.I'm new at this.At moments i'm a little bit lost.


I merely mentioned the Greasebucket in passing. It has nothing to do with what Martian is recommending. It is just a variation on the circuit used with the tone pots. It allows you to roll off highs without the pickup becomming muddy. The pickup doesn't sound as bassy. If your problem is occurring more when you roll down the tone controls, it might help though, as it does roll off the bass slightly.

Oh ok I'll keep that in mind also as to muddyness which I also experienced.My confusion came from thinking (probably read it somewhere)that it also went connected (soldered)to volume pot (middle to left prong).Hopefully will get a tone more desireable to my hearing.Will be posting the outcome and I guess others will benefit from my tests.I know there will be pros and cons to all of these settings.There allways is.


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:09 pm
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carlstrat wrote:
Oh ok I'll keep that in mind also as to muddyness which I also experienced.My confusion came from thinking (probably read it somewhere)that it also went connected (soldered)to volume pot (middle to left prong).Hopefully will get a tone more desireable to my hearing.Will be posting the outcome and I guess others will benefit from my tests.I know there will be pros and cons to all of these settings.There allways is.


Like I said, unless you find the root cause of your problem, simply adding a small cap in place of the wire may cause you to have the totally opposite problem when plugging into a new/different amp: little or no bass.

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:14 am
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Well, carlstrat. What did you do. Did you fix your problem?

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:40 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
Well, carlstrat. What did you do. Did you fix your problem?

Hi bluesky just received today in the mail the 3 caps a .0047 & .0033 & .0022.Now i'll be trying to solder the first,the .0047 cap coming from the 5 way switch wire to the input at the volume pot.Probably I'll desolder the wire on the volume pot only and solder the cap to the wire instead of welding the cap straight to the 5 way switch.I think it will be easier.What do you think sky?Another thing, the cap can be welded in any direction indistinctly right?Haven't checked on the grease bucket yet,but was wondering on a 1 meg volume pot,what do you think?If the caps don't suit my taste. :) Thanks for asking bluesky :D .Will let you know...........


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:22 pm
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Frankly, I think you are making a mistake, as I have already explained.

Greasebucket has nothing to do with the volume pot at all.

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:50 am
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Well? What happened?

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:43 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
Well? What happened?

Well,well,well,Finally got to solder the.0047 and frankly there is less of that muddy sound on the low strings,probably changed a bit the rest of the high strings.For now I'll leave it as is,since I don't dig having the strat disassembled.Probably in the future i'll try the .0033 just to experiment some more.So far I can say It got a bit better to my liking.Which I guess is the point.


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:12 pm
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carlstrat wrote:
bluesky636 wrote:
Well? What happened?

Well,well,well,Finally got to solder the.0047 and frankly there is less of that muddy sound on the low strings,probably changed a bit the rest of the high strings.For now I'll leave it as is,since I don't dig having the strat disassembled.Probably in the future i'll try the .0033 just to experiment some more.So far I can say It got a bit better to my liking.Which I guess is the point.


Well, I am glad you like it. I still I think all you have done is fix the symptom without really finding out and fixing the real problem.

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