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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:16 pm
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If i'm getting the cap values right it would be that a .0047uf cap will lower less bass response than a .0033uf cap that would also be less than a .0022uf which will lower much more than these other previously mentioned.Correct?
Which will be the difference between a 250k & a 500k volume pot?
Trying to get things straight...as to get the perfect tone.Thanks!!


Have you adjusted the pickup height for best tone before screwing with the electronics?

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:55 am
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carlstrat wrote:
Ok pickguard out and I got a 500k volume s-1 with a 1c oric 104M cap on top.A 250k middle tone with a msr .022k-250M.And last a 250k tone at the bottom.Is this a normal fender factory setup?Now with this info.Is there something I can do to lower bass & muddyness from E,a,d. strings ?


Remove the the 500K volume pot and replace it with a 250K. You'd do better for the majority of the tonality of pickup selections with a 250K as it will reduce the lows and sterile highs in favor of more midrange for a bit more grit.

The other 250K pots are correct.

The capacitors are correct.

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:58 am
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carlstrat wrote:
If i'm getting the cap values right it would be that a .0047uf cap will lower less bass response than a .0033uf cap that would also be less than a .0022uf which will lower much more than these other previously mentioned.Correct?
Which will be the difference between a 250k & a 500k volume pot?
Trying to get things straight...as to get the perfect tone.Thanks!!


No, you have that backwards with the capacitors. As to the pot values, I've answered this in your other post.

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:42 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
carlstrat wrote:
If i'm getting the cap values right it would be that a .0047uf cap will lower less bass response than a .0033uf cap that would also be less than a .0022uf which will lower much more than these other previously mentioned.Correct?
Which will be the difference between a 250k & a 500k volume pot?
Trying to get things straight...as to get the perfect tone.Thanks!!


Have you adjusted the pickup height for best tone before screwing with the electronics?

they were low 4mm bass side 4.5 treble neck, 5 mm bass & 4.5 mm middle & bridge.Adjusted the neck a bit up & down with no change and left it at its original position.


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:54 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
carlstrat wrote:
Ok pickguard out and I got a 500k volume s-1 with a 1c oric 104M cap on top.A 250k middle tone with a msr .022k-250M.And last a 250k tone at the bottom.Is this a normal fender factory setup?Now with this info.Is there something I can do to lower bass & muddyness from E,a,d. strings ?


According to Fender, you should have a 250K ohm volume pot:

http://support.fender.com/service_diagr ... A_SISD.pdf

Will having a 250k volume pot instead of 500k lower my bass a bit at top strings?


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:11 am
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carlstrat wrote:
bluesky636 wrote:
carlstrat wrote:
Ok pickguard out and I got a 500k volume s-1 with a 1c oric 104M cap on top.A 250k middle tone with a msr .022k-250M.And last a 250k tone at the bottom.Is this a normal fender factory setup?Now with this info.Is there something I can do to lower bass & muddyness from E,a,d. strings ?


According to Fender, you should have a 250K ohm volume pot:

http://support.fender.com/service_diagr ... A_SISD.pdf

Will having a 250k volume pot instead of 500k lower my bass a bit at top strings?


Yes, it will compress some of the bass and treble frequencies to midrange frequencies.

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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:24 am
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Martian wrote:
carlstrat wrote:
If i'm getting the cap values right it would be that a .0047uf cap will lower less bass response than a .0033uf cap that would also be less than a .0022uf which will lower much more than these other previously mentioned.Correct?
Which will be the difference between a 250k & a 500k volume pot?
Trying to get things straight...as to get the perfect tone.Thanks!!


No, you have that backwards with the capacitors. As to the pot values, I've answered this in your other post.

You're welcome!

Oh ok sorry my miss. :oops: What i'm guessing is that I shoud buy them 3 caps and start with .0047uf (no like)slap the .0033uf (no like) slap the .0022uf on.Will these caps still work with my 500k volume pot?Will The .022k-250m originally on the middle tone still stay welded on there?


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:31 am
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[/quote]

According to Fender, you should have a 250K ohm volume pot:

http://support.fender.com/service_diagr ... A_SISD.pdf[/quote]
Will having a 250k volume pot instead of 500k lower my bass a bit at top strings?[/quote]

Yes, it will compress some of the bass and treble frequencies to midrange frequencies.[/quote]
will volume be affected by this swap?


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:43 am
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Martian wrote:
carlstrat wrote:
Ok pickguard out and I got a 500k volume s-1 with a 1c oric 104M cap on top.A 250k middle tone with a msr .022k-250M.And last a 250k tone at the bottom.Is this a normal fender factory setup?Now with this info.Is there something I can do to lower bass & muddyness from E,a,d. strings ?


Remove the the 500K volume pot and replace it with a 250K. You'd do better for the majority of the tonality of pickup selections with a 250K as it will reduce the lows and sterile highs in favor of more midrange for a bit more grit.

The other 250K pots are correct.

The capacitors are correct.

Haven't read this post (i skipped It).I'll look into a 250k vol pot.The welded wires on top Is what scares me the most (will have to take my time on that)It'll be nice if they came allready on :) Thanks martian for your help.


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:46 am
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carlstrat wrote:
Martian wrote:
carlstrat wrote:
Ok pickguard out and I got a 500k volume s-1 with a 1c oric 104M cap on top.A 250k middle tone with a msr .022k-250M.And last a 250k tone at the bottom.Is this a normal fender factory setup?Now with this info.Is there something I can do to lower bass & muddyness from E,a,d. strings ?


Remove the the 500K volume pot and replace it with a 250K. You'd do better for the majority of the tonality of pickup selections with a 250K as it will reduce the lows and sterile highs in favor of more midrange for a bit more grit.

The other 250K pots are correct.

The capacitors are correct.

Haven't read this post (i skipped It).I'll look into a 250k vol pot.The welded wires on top Is what scares me the most (will have to take my time on that)It'll be nice if they came allready on :) Thanks martian for your help.


You're welcome. If you are nervous about unsoldering and resoldering, I'm sure you can find a relative or friend who is good at it. Or, practice yourself on some scrap/spare electronic parts until your are comfortable.

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:49 am
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carlstrat wrote:
Oh ok sorry my miss. :oops: What i'm guessing is that I shoud buy them 3 caps and start with .0047uf (no like)slap the .0033uf (no like) slap the .0022uf on.Will these caps still work with my 500k volume pot?Will The .022k-250m originally on the middle tone still stay welded on there?


Frankly, I'd just buy the one cap and if I wasn't satisfied, then I'd buy the next and if not satisfied with that, then buy the next. Like I said, most people are satisfied with the .0047uf one. These caps will work with your 500K pot.

Yes, the .022uf on the 250K remains untouched.

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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:50 am
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Martian wrote:
carlstrat wrote:
Oh ok sorry my miss. :oops: What i'm guessing is that I shoud buy them 3 caps and start with .0047uf (no like)slap the .0033uf (no like) slap the .0022uf on.Will these caps still work with my 500k volume pot?Will The .022k-250m originally on the middle tone still stay welded on there?


Frankly, I'd just buy the one cap and if I wasn't satisfied, then I'd buy the next and if not satisfied with that, then buy the next. Like I said, most people are satisfied with the .0047uf one. These caps will work with your 500K pot.

Yes, the .022uf on the 250K remains untouched.

Oh great.... they work with the 500k vol pot.I'll try the caps first since it's just unsoldering wire from 5 way switch to pot and getting a cap in between them.I'll still look up the rest of the caps & 250k vol just in case.If it won't suit me i'll just need the 250k vol pot and start over with the caps from scratch on the new pot.


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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:02 am
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carlstrat wrote:
Oh great.... they work with the 500k vol pot.I'll try the caps first since it's just unsoldering wire from 5 way switch to pot and getting a cap in between them.I'll still look up the rest of the caps & 250k vol just in case.If it won't suit me i'll just need the 250k vol pot and start over with the caps from scratch on the new pot.


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:15 am
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Martian wrote:
carlstrat wrote:
Oh great.... they work with the 500k vol pot.I'll try the caps first since it's just unsoldering wire from 5 way switch to pot and getting a cap in between them.I'll still look up the rest of the caps & 250k vol just in case.If it won't suit me i'll just need the 250k vol pot and start over with the caps from scratch on the new pot.


Good luck!

Thank you!!Will check with axegrinderz see what they got.


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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:21 am
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[/quote]

Remove the the 500K volume pot and replace it with a 250K. You'd do better for the majority of the tonality of pickup selections with a 250K as it will reduce the lows and sterile highs in favor of more midrange for a bit more grit.

The other 250K pots are correct.

The capacitors are correct.[/quote]
Haven't read this post (i skipped It).I'll look into a 250k vol pot.The welded wires on top Is what scares me the most (will have to take my time on that)It'll be nice if they came allready on :) Thanks martian for your help.[/quote]

You're welcome. If you are nervous about unsoldering and resoldering, I'm sure you can find a relative or friend who is good at it. Or, practice yourself on some scrap/spare electronic parts until your are comfortable.[/quote]
My dad used to repair old tube radios & tvs ,stopped after the new circuits ones showed up.He past 10 years ago.


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