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Post subject: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:02 am
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Installed an american deluxe scn s-1 pickguard set on my strat.I found it to be too bassy sounding on the bass top strings (on all pickups setting).Anyway I can lower this much bass response without affecting trebble thinning?(which I find ok to my liking).Also has a muffled tone (in most of the pckups settings.Is there any remedy for clearing that muffled tone up?Capacitors or pots wise?From the soldered wires couldn't read the 3 pots value.Also doesn't have a treble bleed volume kit (if it's of any help).Will this help lower the bass response if installed?Any help to correct this issues would be much appreciated.


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:28 am
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I have two Strats with SCN's and I've found that, due to the magnetic potency of these pickups, they sound best when set lower from the strings than conventional Fender single-coils.

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:48 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
I have two Strats with SCN's and I've found that, due to the magnetic potency of these pickups, they sound best when set lower from the strings than conventional Fender single-coils.

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I have my SCNs set at 12/64" from fret top to bottom of string on the low E, and 11/64" from fret top to bottom of the high E string. All three pickups are set the same say with the strings depressed at the last fret.

I also have the Greasebucket tone circuit on the neck and bridge tone control with the middle pickup wide open. The SCNs sound sweet to me. :D

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:24 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
I have two Strats with SCN's and I've found that, due to the magnetic potency of these pickups, they sound best when set lower from the strings than conventional Fender single-coils.

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I have my SCNs set at 12/64" from fret top to bottom of string on the low E, and 11/64" from fret top to bottom of the high E string. All three pickups are set the same say with the strings depressed at the last fret.

I also have the Greasebucket tone circuit on the neck and bridge tone control with the middle pickup wide open. The SCNs sound sweet to me. :D



I'll check on the greasebucket tone circuit you've mentioned (any particular values I should look for?)Will measure pickup height also.I'm happy with the tone on the 3 bottom strings.But top 3 strings are way too bassy and muddy.Do you happen to know if changing tone pots value from 250k to 500k keeping volume 250k (dont want to mess with the s1 switch if not completly necessary)Will do any good bringing down the bassy on top strings only?Thanks for the reply,really appreciated.


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:48 pm
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Stick with 250K pots.

I can send you a link to the Greasebucket diagram I used when I get home later.

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:35 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
Stick with 250K pots.

I can send you a link to the Greasebucket diagram I used when I get home later.


Thanks sky,looking foward to check that diagram out.By the way what amp are you using those strats thru?I got a vox valvetronix 15.


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:00 pm
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If you find all the pickups are too bassy to your ear and you are sure that your pots are 250K, you may want to try replacing the hot wire that goes from your pickup selector switch to the volume pot with a .0047uf capacitor (note the two zeros to the right of the decimal). This will filter off some offending bass frequencies but it may only be a starting point for you. See, a higher value cap will filter off less lows whereas a lower value will filter off more. Notwithstanding, this .0047uf value cap seems to satisfy most players who complain that their lower strings (pitch wise) have too much bass.

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:24 pm
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carlstrat wrote:
bluesky636 wrote:
Stick with 250K pots.

I can send you a link to the Greasebucket diagram I used when I get home later.


Thanks sky,looking foward to check that diagram out.By the way what amp are you using those strats thru?I got a vox valvetronix 15.


I have a Blues Deluxe Reissue.

Here is the link:

http://myfolder.se/pix/pickguard/schematics-2007-06.jpg

I am not using a treble bleed (the small cap and resistor on the volume control) as shown in the diagram. Instead I used this:

http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/I ... aster.aspx

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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:18 pm
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Martian wrote:
If you find all the pickups are too bassy to your ear and you are sure that your pots are 250K, you may want to try replacing the hot wire that goes from your pickup selector switch to the volume pot with a .0047uf capacitor (note the two zeros to the right of the decimal). This will filter off some offending bass frequencies but it may only be a starting point for you. See, a higher value cap will filter off less lows whereas a lower value will filter off more. Notwithstanding, this .0047uf value cap seems to satisfy most players who complain that their lower strings (pitch wise) have too much bass.

So .0047uf to start with.which would be the next 2 or 3 in that order to lower them a bit more?.thanks martian


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:34 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
carlstrat wrote:
bluesky636 wrote:
Stick with 250K pots.

I can send you a link to the Greasebucket diagram I used when I get home later.


Thanks sky,looking foward to check that diagram out.By the way what amp are you using those strats thru?I got a vox valvetronix 15.


I have a Blues Deluxe Reissue.

Here is the link:

http://myfolder.se/pix/pickguard/schematics-2007-06.jpg

I am not using a treble bleed (the small cap and resistor on the volume control) as shown in the diagram. Instead I used this:

http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/I ... aster.aspx

I've checked the first link and i'm kind of lost on that one wires & values alike.I'll see the sd which is a bit more simple(to me)non the less thanks bluesky.I'll be taking the pickguard out tonight and see what's up :? .


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
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carlstrat wrote:
So .0047uf to start with.which would be the next 2 or 3 in that order to lower them a bit more?.thanks martian


I would suggest you start by adjusting the pickup height and trying to find the optimal position before making any wiring changes.

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carlstrat wrote:
So .0047uf to start with.which would be the next 2 or 3 in that order to lower them a bit more?.thanks martian


.0033uf and .0022uf are the most popular.

You're welcome.

One more thing: A treble bleed circuit is inappropriate for your pickups as they are not powerful enough to benefit from this kind of circuit. Further, it will make your volume pot's sweep erratic and make your pickups sound outright tinny as you lower the pot.

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:28 pm
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Ok pickguard out and I got a 500k volume s-1 with a 1c oric 104M cap on top.A 250k middle tone with a msr .022k-250M.And last a 250k tone at the bottom.Is this a normal fender factory setup?Now with this info.Is there something I can do to lower bass & muddyness from E,a,d. strings ?


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:10 pm
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If i'm getting the cap values right it would be that a .0047uf cap will lower less bass response than a .0033uf cap that would also be less than a .0022uf which will lower much more than these other previously mentioned.Correct?
Which will be the difference between a 250k & a 500k volume pot?
Trying to get things straight...as to get the perfect tone.Thanks!!


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Post subject: Re: scn s-1 pickguard set sound help
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:14 pm
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carlstrat wrote:
Ok pickguard out and I got a 500k volume s-1 with a 1c oric 104M cap on top.A 250k middle tone with a msr .022k-250M.And last a 250k tone at the bottom.Is this a normal fender factory setup?Now with this info.Is there something I can do to lower bass & muddyness from E,a,d. strings ?


According to Fender, you should have a 250K ohm volume pot:

http://support.fender.com/service_diagr ... A_SISD.pdf

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