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Post subject: Vintage & Hot Noiseless pots
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 3:17 pm
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Hi Guy's
Looking for a bit of guidance on Vintage Noiseless Pickups and the pot ratings.
I have installed a set of Vintage Noiseless PUP's and the pots that came with them, these being a 1meg volume and two 500k tone pots. I have also installed the treble bleed kit which also came in the pack.
My question is, Jeff Beck's Strat has Hot Noiseless PUP's and according to the wiring diagram on the Fender site, http://support.fender.com/diagrams/stra ... 00APg2.pdf
http://support.fender.com/diagrams/stra ... 00APg3.pdf
it has 250k pots and no treble bleed kit.
Does anyone have any idea what's going on here and is there any benefit in fitting 250K's with my Vintage Noiseless PUP's and dumping the treble bleed kit.


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With 1meg pot on volume, you have more output and brigtness than 250K.
With 500k on tone you have little more treble than a 250k The treble bleed kit give also more brigthness.
But Jeff Beck Strat have the Hot Noiseless pickups. Is that for that Beck Strat lower the brigthness with 250 K ? Too hot with 1 meg and 500k ?

I don't know


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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:27 am
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stratele52 wrote:
With 1meg pot on volume, you have more output and brigtness than 250K.
With 500k on tone you have little more treble than a 250k The treble bleed kit give also more brigthness.
But Jeff Beck Strat have the Hot Noiseless pickups. Is that for that Beck Strat lower the brigthness with 250 K ? Too hot with 1 meg and 500k ?

I don't know


Thanks for your response, I have heard something like that before but I can never remember which way it goes, is it higher the pot rating the more treble is let through and the lower the pot rating the more bass tone gets through.


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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:37 am
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Lower pots sucks tone ( specialy treble) and sucks output .
I don't know is the word "sucks" is good for what I want to tell ?

I other words, lower pot send more signal (sound) to ground. More signal to ground = less volume output and/or less brightness.


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Post subject: Re: Vintage & Hot Noiseless pots
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:44 pm
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Kluson56 wrote:
Hi Guy's
Looking for a bit of guidance on Vintage Noiseless Pickups and the pot ratings.
I have installed a set of Vintage Noiseless PUP's and the pots that came with them, these being a 1meg volume and two 500k tone pots. I have also installed the treble bleed kit which also came in the pack.
My question is, Jeff Beck's Strat has Hot Noiseless PUP's and according to the wiring diagram on the Fender site, http://support.fender.com/diagrams/stra ... 00APg2.pdf
http://support.fender.com/diagrams/stra ... 00APg3.pdf
it has 250k pots and no treble bleed kit.
Does anyone have any idea what's going on here and is there any benefit in fitting 250K's with my Vintage Noiseless PUP's and dumping the treble bleed kit.


A treble retention kit is not appropriate for the VNs as they are not powerful enough pickups for a system like this. The volume pot will function erratically with the tone pot(s) functioning marginally where the pickups themselves will sound rather sterile with increasing treble as the volume pot is lowered.

The same negative conditions as the treble retention circuit shall prevail with pots above 250K. Fender put the higher resistance pots in the VN kits to force more frequency response out of them in an attempt to compete with other brands' offerings. Here too, the VNs aren't powerful enough for pots higher than 250K regardless of the DC resistance which many people still erroneously cling to for 'dear life' as the controlling factor of a pickup's output; yet more "Infallible Web Dogma".

Naturally, if you drown the guitar's inherent signal with preamps, none of the above really makes much of a difference one way or the other. YMMV.

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