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Post subject: Fender Vintage Noiseless strat pickup help!
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:04 pm
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Hello,

I've just bought a secondhand a Fender vintage noiseless pickup for my Japanese Squier strat neck position. On the ebay auction photo it has yellow and black wires. However other sellers show that neck/middle pickup has black and white wires. I've sent a message to the seller asking them how they know that the one they are advertising is a neck pickup.

This is because you can see here that others are selling the ones with black and white wires as neck and middle:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-Fender-Strat- ... 5ad64eaff8

This the image on the Fender website:

http://www.fender.com/products/search.p ... 0992115000

This is the one I bought:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0535211326


My question is: does it actually make a difference? I ask because on the Fender website it states:

Specifications:

'1-Vintage "Noiseless" Strat Bridge Pickup:
DC Resistance: 9.8K
Inductance: 3.0Henries

2-Vintage "Noiseless" Strat Neck / Middle Pickups:
DC Resistance: 9.8K
Inductance: 3.0Henries'

The specifications are exactly the same. So why do they have different coloured wires? I don't know what to do now because I think the seller has incorrectly labelled the auction, so I may have bought the wrong thing. I only want to change my neck pickup. This is turning into a disaster.

DOes anyone know whether or not it makes any difference?

Thanks for any help!


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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:22 pm
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Also, does anyone know if it will be worth also using an aluminium pickguard shield also, or will it be made totally unnecessary by the 'noiseless' pickup?


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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:47 pm
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Finally one more question:

Will the noiseless pickup get rid of the 'click' you get when touching strings? This is in reference to this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... K:MEWAX:IT

'With your Guitar Shielded you can eliminate the "click" that you get when you touch the string as well as other hiss and hum.. '


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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:06 pm
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Ok so the seller responded and he says that the black and white is neck/mid and yellow/black is bridge. There was an error in the listing. It looks like there are other sellers that are making the same mistake, when I looked.

So I have now bought the neck position vintage noiseless. I'm hoping this will solve my home recording noise problems. I've a number of other things I need to try.. this afternoon I discovered that my metal desk, with my computer and soundcard on it seems to exacerbate the problem - when I took the desk out of the room and put my stuff on the floor, the noise seemed less.


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omnirife wrote:
Also, does anyone know if it will be worth also using an aluminium pickguard shield also, or will it be made totally unnecessary by the 'noiseless' pickup?


It is totally unnecessary AND ineffective.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Vintage Noiseless strat pickup help!
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:47 pm
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omnirife wrote:
Hello,

I've just bought a secondhand a Fender vintage noiseless pickup for my Japanese Squier strat neck position. On the ebay auction photo it has yellow and black wires. However other sellers show that neck/middle pickup has black and white wires. I've sent a message to the seller asking them how they know that the one they are advertising is a neck pickup.

This is because you can see here that others are selling the ones with black and white wires as neck and middle:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-Fender-Strat- ... 5ad64eaff8

This the image on the Fender website:

http://www.fender.com/products/search.p ... 0992115000

This is the one I bought:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0535211326


My question is: does it actually make a difference? I ask because on the Fender website it states:

Specifications:

'1-Vintage "Noiseless" Strat Bridge Pickup:
DC Resistance: 9.8K
Inductance: 3.0Henries

2-Vintage "Noiseless" Strat Neck / Middle Pickups:
DC Resistance: 9.8K
Inductance: 3.0Henries'

The specifications are exactly the same. So why do they have different coloured wires? I don't know what to do now because I think the seller has incorrectly labelled the auction, so I may have bought the wrong thing. I only want to change my neck pickup. This is turning into a disaster.

DOes anyone know whether or not it makes any difference?

Thanks for any help!


All positions are the same from an electronics standpoint. The only difference between the bridge vs. neck and/or middle is the spread of the polepieces. They are further apart on the bridge pickup model vs. those for the neck and middle whose polepiece spacing obviously is narrower and identical to each other. The yellow wire on the bridge model is so one can quickly make the distinction instead of having to constantly compare polepiece spacing, one VN pickup to another.

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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:15 pm
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Thanks very much for your help with this. I'll avoid that metal pickguard shield then. Why is it some people are coating their pickguards in copper or foil instead though?

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I posted this same thread over guitargeek and a user there advises that the aluminium shield is in fact useful. I don't know who's right.

http://www.guitargeek.com/chat/showthread.php?t=106226


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omnirife wrote:
Thanks very much for your help with this. I'll avoid that metal pickguard shield then. Why is it some people are coating their pickguards in copper or foil instead though?

Regards,


You're welcome.

A lot of it is the, "placebo effect" made popular by what I call, "Infallible Web Dogma". See, most of the extraneous noise that goes through a bass or guitar's circuit enters through the pickups which act as antennas for such things. If the coil(s) of the pickup are shielded, this helps deflect the extraneous noise. Obviously, non-humbucking, non-metal covered pickups have no such deflection. So, in keeping with "Infallible Web Dogma", someone suggests slathering the inside of the instrument with carbon based paint, copper foil, etc. in an effort to keep the line noise out. This illogical presumption shields only the electronic components which may or may not need it in the first place but by the same token, said outside noise, like water, will find the easiest path to flow. At best, if the pickups were submerged level with the pickguard and/or the wood of the guitar, only the sides of the coils would be semi-protected. So, by treating the symptom and not the cause, some will swear they hear the difference but in reality, what is going on is that all this unnecessary shielding ramps up the capacitance in the circuit, induces Eddy Currents (in this case, a condition which changes the sound and output of the pickup) and the bottom line is, the circuit's resistance is increased. This in turn, lowers the natural volume of the circuit too. Couple this with the human ear which hears higher frequencies easier than lower ones, these higher ones are knocked down along with what I've said above and hence, the circuit is perceived as quieter.

Why is it then that many instrument manufacturers now put shielding in their instruments? It is a mighty popular feature (as you're aware of) which disproportionately increases the manufacturer's profit margin so they are happy to do it. Of course, the buyer shall automatically presumes the instrument to be of 'higher end' too and don't forget, some will only buy an instrument with shielding.

Granted, since the electric bass or guitar's inception, many electronic improvements have been made. Yet, bringing it around 'full circle', 60 cycle hum never bothered anyone until aftermarket pickup manufacturers kept hammering away at the buying public that all instruments MUST be hum free or it is 'sonic death' to all players and their instruments. Surely, they achieved their objective buy creating this mass hysteria and here we are today. Besides, if you think about it, even if an instrument does in fact have a good deal of 60 cycle hum, once the rest of the band starts playing, it is irrelevant.

Consider: Even outright 'humbucking' pickups still have some hum to them until one puts his or hand on the strings causing their whole body to ground out the extraneous noise. Notice they are called, hum"bucking" vs. hum-"obliterated". Even as Fender calls their newest lines of humbucking pickups, "Noiseless", of course they still have hum and many a player perceives there to be something wrong with them because of they are touted as, "Noiseless".

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That's a great reply, thanks a lot. My worries only began when I bought a pair of high end monitor headphones (audio technica ath-m50) and was surprised by the number of different sources of interference in my very small home studio. I actually like the single coils that are already in my Japanese Squier so I may just accept some volume of noise - as you say, it hasn't been a problem until the manufacturers decided it was.


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omnirife wrote:
That's a great reply, thanks a lot. My worries only began when I bought a pair of high end monitor headphones (audio technica ath-m50) and was surprised by the number of different sources of interference in my very small home studio. I actually like the single coils that are already in my Japanese Squier so I may just accept some volume of noise - as you say, it hasn't been a problem until the manufacturers decided it was.


You're quite welcome. As a matter of fact, I prefer single coils as they will always have the widest range of frequency response vs. similar humbucker models. Obviously, I'm not concerned with normal 60 cycle hum and after 40+ years of playing, I can honestly say 60 cycle hum never was an issue nor did it ever hinder me either.

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